Linked by David Adams on Fri 18th Apr 2008 16:19 UTC, submitted by WillM
Microsoft Microsoft has "dramatically" changed because of open-source software, the company's Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie said Thursday as part of a wide-ranging discussion during the annual Most Valuable Professional summit in Seattle. He also talked about Microsoft's mesh concept and the importance of virtualization.
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RE: WTL
by google_ninja on Sat 19th Apr 2008 18:42 UTC in reply to "WTL"
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Check out the MVC framework, there is currently a hell of alot more effort being put into it then ASP.net. Can't comment on documentation yet as it is still quite a ways from a 1.0 release, but there has been alot of two way communication going on.

There is also the DLR, which is a fantastic dynamic language VM (I don't know if this is still true, but at least when it came out, IronPython on the DLR was faster then python on its own VM).

Those are the two that really stand out for me. There is also more indirect support; Codeplex houses alot of real life, living projects. MS is also one of the companies that supports SourceForge, and have recently been hiring alot from the .net open source space, and encouraging those people to continue working on their projects, like Rob Conery from Subsonic (which I use on the majority of my projects), Phil Haack from DasBlog, and Scott Hanselman from a whole bunch of stuff on and off of windows.

It takes a lot of effort for MS to shift direction on something, but its definately happening in the developer division. With the latest drop of TFS, we are actually seeing acknowledgment that agile is here to stay (although ms project is still pretty tied to waterfall). The rise of ALT.NET, and the fact that the key players are all MVPs and RDs is also causing alot of noise in the .net world.

I don't think MS really gets open source yet, but they are moving in that directions. I would say in another 5 years or so we will be seeing substancial, community oriented open source projects coming out of redmond.

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RE[2]: WTL
by gustl on Sat 19th Apr 2008 19:52 in reply to "RE: WTL"
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I don't think MS really gets open source yet, but they are moving in that directions. I would say in another 5 years or so we will be seeing substancial, community oriented open source projects coming out of redmond.


I don't think so. Microsoft convinced me over the last year, that they will never change their ways. They got fined the largest amount of money that ever someone had to pay because of market distorting behaviour, and it changed absolutely nothing in their behaviour.

I think they will put open source projects on the net, to get gratis development and beta testing for software where they know they will not see a dime for anyway, but they need to be able to offer a full software ecosystem. But I think they will continue to ruin their "technology partners" (not their sales partners), continue to buy themselves into political decisions, in one word - behave on the borderline of the law and far beyond the borderline of moral and ethics.

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