Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 22nd Apr 2008 21:05 UTC, submitted by behdadesfahbod
X11, Window Managers Even though some users of the two desktops take every opportunity to make fun or flat-out attack one another, it is no secret to more reasonable people that the KDE and GNOME projects strive to make their respective desktops interoperate, and that the developers working on either of the two projects have a great deal of respect for one another. This has lead to an attempt to jointly organise the desktops' flagship conferences, in one place, in 2009.
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Great News
by byrc on Tue 22nd Apr 2008 21:57 UTC
byrc
Member since:
2006-02-18

This is great news, finally someone, somewhere is making progress with Linux and the general public. The fact that a person can use Linux at school, work, whatever and then go somewhere else and use a Linux that looks, feels and acts completely different is a major turn off to the oh-so-sought after "average consumer."

This is what Linux needs, interoperability and sharing of ideas! After all, isn't that what Linux was founded on in the first place?

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RE: Great News
by Lunitik on Tue 22nd Apr 2008 22:32 in reply to "Great News"
Lunitik Member since:
2005-08-07

Umm, no, Linux was founded on the fact that Unix was too expensive for a college student in Helsinki...

GNU however, sure...

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RE: Great News
by segedunum on Tue 22nd Apr 2008 23:41 in reply to "Great News"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The fact that a person can use Linux at school, work, whatever and then go somewhere else and use a Linux that looks, feels and acts completely different is a major turn off to the oh-so-sought after "average consumer."

That isn't going to change because a bunch of people have decided to hold a conference together.

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RE: Great News
by xpr0nstar on Wed 23rd Apr 2008 14:18 in reply to "Great News"
xpr0nstar Member since:
2008-04-15

As a long-time Linux user, I simply don't care about average consumers' attitude toward Linux. If I was someone who is into making money off of these average consumers with Linux, maybe I would care. Linux does not need the average consumers to validate its existence and I truly believe Linux will continue to exist with or without the support of average consumers. It's the open source philosophy that dictates the development of Linux, everything else just come along for the ride when the oportunity presents itself: the users, the corporations, the proprietary developers, etc... Linux has reached the state it's in without average consumers' acceptance and it will continue to move forward without it. If someone wants to use Linux, he/she will find a way, regardless. If a person does not even know the existence of Linux, he/she is probably too average to use Linux in the first place.

Edited 2008-04-23 14:24 UTC

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RE[2]: Great News
by ari-free on Thu 24th Apr 2008 10:19 in reply to "RE: Great News"
ari-free Member since:
2007-01-22

I am a new linux user and while i have screamed at the computer at times, I'm with you. Linux should not pretend to be a consumer OS. It is not and if it tries to, it will turn off the existing user base and it still won't be the consumer OS of some people's dreams. A total lose lose situation.

Linux should be the "completely whatever you want it to be OS" That's what makes it so interesting even if it drives people crazy. Other OS's can be for consumer use.

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RE: Great News
by Shade on Wed 23rd Apr 2008 15:41 in reply to "Great News"
Shade Member since:
2005-07-07

Gah! 'Choice is Free Software / Open Source's greatest strength. 'World Domination' is a call to rally developers, not good policy at the high level. The level of 'sameness' between the big projects has been pretty much where it needs to be. That is to say:

-GCC ABI compatibility is there so binaries are somewhat portable between distros and versions.
-The LSB is there to define a 'base environment'.
-Freedesktop.org is hosting a lot of 'glue specs' and 'glue technologies' that help the big desktops play nice with each other to varying degrees.

Beyond that, you don't want to encourage a monoculture. Competition tends to make the competitors better in the Free Software and Open Source world. It motivates developers, and it lets them steal each other's ideas.

Nothing illustrates this better than GNOME vs KDE. GNOME wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the initial Qt licence. GNOME freed Qt. Thanks GNOME. Gnome then competed with KDE to try to close the feature gap. Even with big distro support they were kind of relegated to 'a clunkier less mature KDE' sort of status. So then people envisioned GNOME 2... Which was a radical departure, but existed in roughly the same space as KDE. As GNOME 2 found it's 'sexy' it encouraged KDE, in the KDE 3 days, to begin cleaning up its config screens and interfaces. GNOME 2 continues it's march. It forces KDE to take a good look at itself and ask hard questions about what KDE is, should be, and most importantly isn't. The KDE camp comes up with a solid plan for KDE 4. Abstracted away from the OS, sexy, with clean(er) interfaces, sane defaults, and better organized config screens. They didn't 'neuter' the features-- but they raised the bar away from 'it might be cool if' features and 'some dude requested' features' as they tended to be the big bitrotting bug generators. And sure enough, now there's all of this talk from the GNOME camp about breaking BC, and a new cycle of GNOME innovation.

Now, if you were to ask either the GNOME or KDE camp if the 'other' was the primary motivator, they'd probably say “no”... But the push me / pull me is there. And every user is better for it. It forces evolution and prevents stagnation. Real change in the Free Software world comes from a projects 'peers' (Both withing a project and from other projects) not it 'less free rivals'.

Shouting down the GNOME / KDE /XFCE people for not merging with the other camp is actually harmful and stifling. Besides, most Free Software and Open Source developers are still volunteers, and you only diminish the pool of developers that way. The same goes for shouting down a new project that exists in the same space as an established project. The world might not need another text editor, but I'm happy that Compiz encouraged KDE 4's kwin to 'bring the bling' in a well integrated KDE sort of way...

I think this joint conference exists in the finest tradition of the Free Software 'competitive peer' system. Good for them!

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