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Another Ubuntu
by unoengborg on Thu 24th Apr 2008 17:28 UTC
unoengborg
Member since:
2005-07-06

Perhaps I'm spoiled, but I don't get that Wow! feeling anymore when I install a new Ubuntu version that I used to get a couple of years ago. I still remember how Brezy Badger really stood out, compared to other distros.

This is not because Ubuntu or Hardy Heron is bad, on the contrary Hardy Heron is very good indeed. The difference is, that so are most other modern Linux distros. That's why Ubuntu doesn't stand out as something exceptional anymore.

Today, the only distro that stands out is OpenSuse, With the help of usability tests from Novell, it really have taken Linux usability to the next level.
I wish Ubuntu and other distros would borrow some of that for their future releases. Or even better that it was taken up by Gnome. That way it would almost automagically be common goods to almost every Gnome based Linux distro, not to mention OpenSolaris, and FreeBSD.

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RE: Another Ubuntu
by apoclypse on Thu 24th Apr 2008 18:22 in reply to "Another Ubuntu"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

If you mean that crappy start menu thingy, then no thanks.

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RE: Another Ubuntu
by raver31 on Thu 24th Apr 2008 19:07 in reply to "Another Ubuntu"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes it might look good, but the usability goes downhill when you try to add software to it as RPM sucks plums, and YAST is a pain.

If OpenSuse dumps Yast, then it might be worth a look, until then, I will stick to Ubuntu and PC-BSD

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by orestes on Thu 24th Apr 2008 20:06 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

Can't speak for Yast, as I've not used suse in years, but I haven't had any real issues with rpm based distros since the late 90s and really don't see where .debs are particularly more impressive.

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by islander on Thu 24th Apr 2008 21:28 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
islander Member since:
2007-04-11

Could not have said it any better.

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by miles on Fri 25th Apr 2008 00:25 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
miles Member since:
2006-06-15

Let's hope they drop Yast AND rpm at the same time.

It might be a great distro, but .deb and Debian standards are not things you leave easily. Which is why I always wonder why some people can compare such distros with Ubuntu, when these distros aren't even based on Debian. Suse and Fedora are doing a great job and catering for the needs of their user base, but if they ever want to attract Debian users there's only one way to do it. Till then, it's like trying to sell meat to vegetarians.

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by suser on Fri 25th Apr 2008 08:47 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
suser Member since:
2005-08-04

Yes it might look good, but the usability goes downhill when you try to add software to it as RPM sucks plums, and YAST is a pain.


When was last time you try it? You might wanna reconsider ;-)

http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/296

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RE: Another Ubuntu
by milles21 on Thu 24th Apr 2008 20:06 in reply to "Another Ubuntu"
milles21 Member since:
2006-11-08

I meant to reply here so I will try again
I agree with you 100% I have felt that the OpenSUSE distro has been the only one truly differentiating themselves.

You can hate the start menu but lets be honest the Opensuse community has been delivering innovation. I expect to here the flames of the Microsoft deal. However that does not change the great work that they have been delivering. the stability of the distribution is also a great thing, their one-click system, opensuse build service, the control-center which many have adopted.

Grade the distro for it's merit Opensuse has been a true innovator, that is not to take anything away from ubuntu.

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by OMRebel on Thu 24th Apr 2008 20:28 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
OMRebel Member since:
2005-11-14

You're joking right? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but:
1. Copying the start bar isn't innovative.
2. Yast is pathetic and slow.
3. openSUSE is bloated and slow.

If that's the innovation you want, there's some stock in a company over in Redmond you should be looking into.

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RE: Another Ubuntu
by Soulbender on Fri 25th Apr 2008 04:12 in reply to "Another Ubuntu"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Today, the only distro that stands out is OpenSuse


I dont get the WOW feeling from OpenSUSE.

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by segedunum on Fri 25th Apr 2008 14:09 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I dont get the WOW feeling from OpenSUSE.

Sigh........ The emperor is indeed naked, you know? I have never encountered one person who can name me one thing that Ubuntu is doing differently that matters.

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RE: Another Ubuntu
by HangLoose on Fri 25th Apr 2008 06:00 in reply to "Another Ubuntu"
HangLoose Member since:
2007-09-03

For me the bests WOW thing is that it just works...

I tried to install the "big betas" in my Inspiron and all of them (fedora/opensuse) failed or to recognize my wifi or video...

On the other hand, Hardy was the only one to recognize everything... I'm not saying that I couldn't configure everything but if it can be done by the distro I wont say no... ;)

(My wife prefer opensuse ;) cos its cute) So I had quite some pain installing in her notebook

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by miscz on Fri 25th Apr 2008 10:47 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

OpenSuse 11 beta was particularly bad. Ubuntu folks make sure that their alpha/beta images are at least possible to install and will mostly guarantee a stable snapshot. On the other hand openSuse 11 beta didn't even have GDM working, good job guys![/sarcasm]
It's usually a good idea to wait a month or so after release of new Suse because even supposedly proper versions are ridden with bugs that are mostly fixed in that time.

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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by bornagainenguin on Fri 25th Apr 2008 22:57 in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

HangLoose said....

I tried to install the "big betas" in my Inspiron and all of them (fedora/opensuse) failed or to recognize my wifi or video...


I have an Inspiron 5100 myself, I have a thread I try to keep updated semi-regularly over at Ubuntu Forums on the laptop and what tweaks I need to make here and there for it all to work. This has been the first time everything has just more or less worked right out of the box for me. The only gripe I have is the way Ubuntu blacklisted a bunch of ATI cards from being allowed to use Compiz-Fusion this time around...

I've been able to use Compiz-Fusion in both Gutsy and Feisty so I don't know what their problem is...

There's a work around for that issue though, thankfully and that's why I have the thread...

Maybe you'll find it useful?

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4790762

--bornagainpenguin

PS: If there are any Arch Linux users here who use the Inspiron 5100, could they help me out with understanding the powermanagement section of the wiki that I linked to in the above post, towards the end? Thanks!

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