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Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The Hardy Heron has taken flight: it's the second LTS (Long Term Support) release of the world's most popular distro. New features include the Wubi Windows installer and Firefox 3 beta 5. Grab a copy here, and check out Linux Format's overview of the release.
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RE[2]: Another Ubuntu
by OMRebel on Thu 24th Apr 2008 20:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Another Ubuntu"
OMRebel
Member since:
2005-11-14

You're joking right? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but:
1. Copying the start bar isn't innovative.
2. Yast is pathetic and slow.
3. openSUSE is bloated and slow.

If that's the innovation you want, there's some stock in a company over in Redmond you should be looking into.

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RE[3]: Another Ubuntu
by milles21 on Thu 24th Apr 2008 20:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Another Ubuntu"
milles21 Member since:
2006-11-08

Oh yeah maybe your right

XGL = bloat = Novell/OpensUSE,
banshee = bloat = Novell/Opensuse


Oh wait both are in ubuntu, oh and

SLES 10 in tons of businesses uses the opensuse as it's foundation ubuntu not so much!!!!!

Yup sounds all bloated to me you are right I don't want that type of innovation considering that before SLES 10 RHEL was the enterprise standard.

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RE[4]: Another Ubuntu
by OMRebel on Thu 24th Apr 2008 21:08 in reply to "RE[3]: Another Ubuntu"
OMRebel Member since:
2005-11-14

openSUSE (which is what we're talking about) is MUCH slower on the same hardware than Ubuntu is. That is a FACT.

As many businesses that I've worked in and seen that use linux, RHEL is the only version that they use. Until Novell does something with Yast (either get rid of it, or fix it), then Suse will continue to be trying to play catchup.

Besides, aren't we focusing on desktops and not servers?

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RE[3]: Another Ubuntu
by unoengborg on Thu 24th Apr 2008 21:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Another Ubuntu"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

You're joking right? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but:
1. Copying the start bar isn't innovative.


The innovating thing (Novell did) was not to copy the start bar, but rather that they tested it on ordinary users. I.e users that not are developers or sysadmins. This kind of tests are rare in the open source world, but very necessary if we want reach a wider market. If it looks like something from Redmond, so what, as long as users are comfortable with it lets use it, especially as it in this case is totally optional.


2. Yast is pathetic and slow.


The thing that is/was slow in YaST is software installation. However, I guess Yast for software management will go away just like, apt-get, synaptic, yum, urpmi will go away when Packagekit takes over.Not that package kit is such all that speedy, but it will provide a well integrated standard interface that will make it easier for the end user.


3. openSUSE is bloated and slow.


You could also say that it is feature rich, and contain a lot of feetures that actually are helpful to the user. Unfortunately, feetures need a little hardware to run well, but in comparison to some OSes developed in Redmond, I don't think OpenSuSE have much to worry about. And these Redmond OSes constitutes the main competition.

And after all, If you don't like SuSE there is always Ubuntu, and a whole lot of other distros that look and feel more or less the same as Ubuntu to chose from.

Even if Ubuntu currently IMHO is not the most usable Linux distro their is, the Ubuntu team can still be very proud to know that they have raised the standards for usability in the Linux desktop.

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RE[4]: Another Ubuntu
by sakeniwefu on Fri 25th Apr 2008 01:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Another Ubuntu"
sakeniwefu Member since:
2008-02-26

The thing that is/was slow in YaST is software installation. However, I guess Yast for software management will go away just like, apt-get, synaptic, yum, urpmi will go away when Packagekit takes over.Not that package kit is such all that speedy, but it will provide a well integrated standard interface that will make it easier for the end user.


A superior user interface that makes it easier for the end-user does already exist. It is called "aptitude".

RPMs might be better now than they were when Red Hat pulled a Microsoft on the standards body, and YUM and YAST might be trying hard to clone functionality, but Debian-based distros were there ages before and it shows.

PackageKit is a problem looking for more problems. I wouldn't let it near any system I cared about.

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RE[3]: Another Ubuntu
by polaris20 on Fri 25th Apr 2008 17:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Another Ubuntu"
polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

You're joking right? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but:
1. Copying the start bar isn't innovative.
2. Yast is pathetic and slow.
3. openSUSE is bloated and slow.

If that's the innovation you want, there's some stock in a company over in Redmond you should be looking into.


I couldn't agree more. We're migrating over to Ubuntu at work from OpenSuse because it's proven to be far more stable on our machines (mix of HP servers and workstations, and laptops, as well as Thinkpads) as well as being faster and free of the tremendous bloat that SuSe has become saddled with in recent years.

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