Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 3rd May 2008 20:44 UTC, submitted by Moochman
Oracle and SUN Engadget got the chance to sit down with Jonathan Schwartz, the pony-tailed CEO of Sun Microsystems. Being the gadget blog that they are, Engadget asked Schwartz about the long-missing JavaFX Mobile platform Sun has promised, Java on the iPhone, and competing with Microsoft as an open source vendor.
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RE[7]: Shame ...
by sbergman27 on Mon 5th May 2008 01:20 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Shame ..."
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

Contrary to the current hype, all that extra (and expensive) software you gratuitously added to an otherwise economical machine is generally unnecessary. I configured it with just the RHEL 5 and it came to $19,000.

Taking your word on the Sun box:

$39000 - $19000 = $20000

So the HP performs similarly at less than half the price of the Sun. And at full tilt, and 10 cents per kilowatt hour, it works out to a $375 per year difference in electric cost.

So you'd come out ahead with the Sun box after only a little over 53 years of continuous operation.

Edit: FYI, after my initial post, I found a pretty serious error in my figures and have reposted with the correct numbers within the allowed edit period.

Edited 2008-05-05 01:36 UTC

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RE[8]: Shame ...
by Arun on Mon 5th May 2008 01:42 in reply to "RE[7]: Shame ..."
Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

Contrary to the current hype, all that extra (and expensive) software you gratuitously added to an otherwise economical machine is generally unnecessary. I configured it with just the RHEL 5 and it came to $13,000.




That's just wrong!

What was the hardware config? You can't take the base single socket system and claim it is economical. Go look at the specweb2005 link where the numbers came from and configure a similar system.

Let's compare the base systems for both:
The base proliant has a energy efficient 1.6GHz chip. The cheapest Sun box will blow it out of the water.

Base HP Proliant with 4GB memory and 2x 146GB sas drives. RHEL 9x5 support and the cheapest Virtualization ($299)
System price $10,622.00

Sun T5220 Base config
Quad-Core UltraSPARC T2, 1.2 GHz, 32 Threads
4 GB (4 x 1 GB DIMMs)
292 GB (2 x 146 GB) 10000 rpm SAS Disks
$ 10,995.00


Now let's compare the systems that gave the best numbers on Specweb2005:

Taking base and adding 4 X7350 quad core Xeons brings the system price to:
System price $18,544.001

Adding 64GB memory ( same as the Sun Config and the config in the Benchmark for the proliant)
System price $25,167.00

Add two disks 146GB SAS ( same as Sun config)
System price $25,825.0

Adding software ( OS and Virtualization that comes as standard on the Sun box)

Just RHEL $2499
XenServer with 1 years supprt $4049


System price $32,373.0


The bottom line at roughly the same cost of acquisition the Sun boxes perform better and at a lower power envelope.

Edited 2008-05-05 01:43 UTC

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RE[9]: Shame ...
by sbergman27 on Mon 5th May 2008 02:09 in reply to "RE[8]: Shame ..."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The bottom line at roughly the same cost of acquisition the Sun boxes perform better and at a lower power envelope.

No. Adding the extra memory and drive, which I was not including before, comes to $25,000. RHEL5 comes with Xen. That was the whole point of it being so late. You keep wanting to stack on useless and expensive software.

$39,000 is 56% more than $25,000. That is not "roughly the same cost". Why don't you send me $39,000 and then I'll send you back $25,000 and we'll call it even. OK?

For that matter, even using your figure, I'd agree to the exchange if I had to send back $32,000. I could use a quick $7,000.

BTW, you seem to have some emotional investment in this. People don't usually throw around terms like "vile ignorance" regarding issues which they are viewing objectively. I don't really care whether Sun or HP "wins" this contest. But the evidence is simply not on your side, even using your own figures.

Edited 2008-05-05 02:13 UTC

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