Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th May 2008 17:12 UTC, submitted by Dale Smoker
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris OpenSolaris 2008.5, the new distribution based on the OpenSolaris operating system, has been released into the wild. This release follows the conventions set by many of the popular Linux distributions, such as being based on a single live CD with installer, but also adds a load of OpenSolaris-specific features such as ZFS, DTrace, Containers, and a new package management system, IPS. OpenSolaris 2008.5 is the fruit of Project Indiana.
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RE[4]: Finally!
by segedunum on Mon 5th May 2008 21:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Finally!"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

The plain and simple reason of teaching users the fundamentals of using a system. Majority of the problems faced by computer systems users today would be solved with a little education.

If a system doesn't use the backspace to delete text then it is dead in the water. End of story. If you have to teach a user that that kind of 'fundamental' isn't what they think it is then you're in trouble.

Hey Solaris. Welcome to all the stuff Linux distros have learned over the past ten years (and how far they still have to go) ;-). It's an interesting ride.

You are assuming it is a problem and not just a user preference.

Oh dear.

Linux has had a shell that does erase on backspace for almost a decade, how much desktop market share has it gained?

More than Solaris, let's put it that way.

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RE[5]: Finally!
by Arun on Mon 5th May 2008 21:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Finally!"
Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

If a system doesn't use the backspace to delete text then it is dead in the water. End of story. If you have to teach a user that that kind of 'fundamental' isn't what they think it is then you're in trouble.


Please leave your ignorance about Solaris and Sun technologies out and lay down the crack pipe.

Solaris has shipped with tcsh and bash for years now. The default shell has always been the bourne shell. Linux uses bash as the default. The bash that ships with Solaris works the same as the one on linux.

If you are using the command line your should know how to switch your default shell.

The system is not the problem here.

Linux users switch their desktops out and replace it with a million non standard ones like enlightenment etc. Compile the kernel or packages with ./configure and make install. Deal with dependency hell.

Nitpicking about the backspace in the default shell is dubious at best.

New users to linux have to deal with silly stuff just to watch videos on YouTube.


More than Solaris, let's put it that way.


Solaris has just started to compete in the space. When Linux takes over MacOS X's or windows' market share come see me.

That's the problem with Unix and Linux users nitpicking about useless, easy to fix things when the real problems are much larger.

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RE[6]: Finally!
by dagw on Mon 5th May 2008 21:58 in reply to "RE[5]: Finally!"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Linux users switch their desktops out and replace it with a million non standard ones like enlightenment etc. Compile the kernel or packages with ./configure and make install. Deal with dependency hell.

Correction. Some Linux users do all that. Others just start the programs they need and get work done, and wouldn't know where to begin to install the latest enlightenment or how (or why) to recompile their kernel.

Assuming a good working knowledge of Unix fundamentals as a prerequisite to use an OS is a good way to limit your potential audience (although I know a fair few people who would argue that that's a good thing).

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RE[6]: Finally!
by segedunum on Mon 5th May 2008 23:57 in reply to "RE[5]: Finally!"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Nitpicking about the backspace in the default shell is dubious at best.

OpenSolaris exists as an 'open source' project to attract existing Linux users, and Linux contributors. If the backspace doesn't actually delete anything and they have less features than they do now the those users and contributors simply won't got for it.

As has been pointed out to you by others, blaming users for illogical and stupid settings is simply not going to work. Take it or leave it.

Solaris has just started to compete in the space. When Linux takes over MacOS X's or windows' market share come see me.

OpenSolaris exists to attract existing open source Linux users and contributors.

That's the problem with Unix and Linux users nitpicking about useless, easy to fix things when the real problems are much larger.

As lots of Linux distros have found out, the large problems are a whole series of small ones ;-).

Solaris: Reinventing the wheel. Again.

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RE[6]: Finally!
by lemur2 on Tue 6th May 2008 14:15 in reply to "RE[5]: Finally!"
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2007-02-17

Linux users switch their desktops out and replace it with a million non standard ones like enlightenment etc.


Linux user who can do this might do it ... and so they have choice. Linux users who are unable to do this don't do it, and so for them too it is not an issue in any way.

Compile the kernel or packages with ./configure and make install. Deal with dependency hell.


Also not an issue. Never once have I had to do any of this in years of Linux use.

New users to linux have to deal with silly stuff just to watch videos on YouTube.


Not any more. Just install the latest gnash ... works pretty well on Ubuntu Hardy Heron, and it is GNU software, available via the standard repositories.

"More than Solaris, let's put it that way.


Solaris has just started to compete in the space. When Linux takes over MacOS X's or windows' market share come see me.
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The EEEPC and its various competitors will see over 10 million new pre-installed desktop Linux systems being sold this year, in an entirely new category of machine that Intel have called "netbooks" and Microsoft have dubbed "ULCPCs".

This is Linux just starting to compete in the space as well. This is the very first time that Linux and Windows have been for sale to the general public (i.e. pre-installed) on the same machine, and so comparable side-by-side by avearge users in a standard computer store. The Windows variant is the same price but has 8GB less memory and it has no software other than the bare OS. By the time you have added proprietary Windows applications and ant-virus etc for the Windows machine, you have doubled the price, you still have 40% less storage, and you have made your machine run much slower. Lets take a look at market share after this message has begun to get through to people.

That's the problem with Unix and Linux users nitpicking about useless, easy to fix things when the real problems are much larger.


The real problems with Solaris you mean? I'd say that the main real problems are likely to be: (1) significantly less hardware drivers supported, and (2) much smaller number of applications available to install via repositories, and (3) far less help to be had via user communities.

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