Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th May 2008 17:12 UTC, submitted by Dale Smoker
OpenSolaris 2008.5, the new distribution based on the OpenSolaris operating system, has been released into the wild. This release follows the conventions set by many of the popular Linux distributions, such as being based on a single live CD with installer, but also adds a load of OpenSolaris-specific features such as ZFS, DTrace, Containers, and a new package management system, IPS. OpenSolaris 2008.5 is the fruit of Project Indiana.
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Err let's see ZFS snapshotting before system updates seem like something no Linux distro supports.
We've been through ZFS before. Some of its features are a bit neater than existing solutions, but alas, a lot of Solaris folks think it's the second coming of Christ. It isn't, and they get mighty upset at anyone who thinks that it isn't.
As I've pointed out before, snapshotting isn't as free as the ZFS folks want to make it look because you still need to account for differences between the original and the snapshot. If you don't have the space to safely account for a snapshot, and changes between it and the original, you will have trouble. On a desktop, that is nearly always the case.
You're going to need a lot more than that to attract users, because people would rather updates just, you know, worked. It's a transparent thing.
Yet Linux has a minuscule desktop market share of 2.02%. MacOS X doesn't do Virtual Consoles....
Blah, blah, blah, Mac OS X crops up. Shock, horror. Linux is used on more desktops than Solaris is, and the bottom line is, if you want to sell Solaris to those people (which is why OpenSolaris exists) then you're going to have to fix various things that Linux distros did years ago.
If you believe that educating users that a backspace doesn't delete text is acceptable then you need a padded cell. Seriously.
Bottom line virtual consoles don't sell anything.
You're very, very anxious about specifics, and people who do that don't want to face the bigger picture.
Bottom line is that if you are selling OpenSolaris to some people already using Linux, and expect them to contribute to OpenSolaris (which is what Sun is hoping), then giving people less functionality than what they have now with much the same software isn't really going to work.
Do you really have to pick at straws on every Sun related topic?
I am somewhat suspicious of a company who runs around telling everyone that OpenSolaris is an open source project and is just like Linux, when it just isn't:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2008-February/004...
It just smacks of marketing. It's OK. I don't expect you to read it.
Member since:2005-07-07
We've been through ZFS before. Some of its features are a bit neater than existing solutions, but alas, a lot of Solaris folks think it's the second coming of Christ. It isn't, and they get mighty upset at anyone who thinks that it isn't.
Yes we have and your ill conceived ranting about ZFS doesn't add much.
As I've pointed out before, snapshotting isn't as free as the ZFS folks want to make it look because you still need to account for differences between the original and the snapshot. If you don't have the space to safely account for a snapshot, and changes between it and the original, you will have trouble. On a
desktop, that is nearly always the case.
desktop, that is nearly always the case.
It is clear you have no idea how this stuff works.
When a snapshot is created it takes no more space. When data is written to the same blocks as the one in the snapshot, ZFS copies the block to a new block and completes the write.
You can create a hundred snapshots and the file system space used will be negligible unless you write to the files.
So because of a corner case, which is actually a non sequitur, the feature isn't worth having.
You're going to need a lot more than that to attract users, because people would rather updates just, you know, worked. It's a transparent thing.
That just doesn't make any sense. What were you trying to say.
Blah, blah, blah, Mac OS X crops up. Shock, horror. Linux is used on more desktops than Solaris is, and the bottom line is, if you want to sell Solaris to those people (which is why OpenSolaris exists) then you're going to have to fix various things that Linux distros did years ago.
MacOS X is very relevant here as I have already pointed out. Apple laptops are selling like gang busters but don't have a backspace key. Doh!
If you believe that educating users that a backspace doesn't delete text is acceptable then you need a padded cell. Seriously.
No you do because according to you it is a death knell but Apple has proven your wrong. So you are the delusional one here.
BTW: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/vconsole/
You should at least know something before you pretend to be an expert.
You're very, very anxious about specifics, and people who do that don't want to face the bigger picture.
You brought up Virtual Consoles as requirement that would sink OpenSolaris. Why are you backpedaling when your point has been properly decimated.
Bottom line is that if you are selling OpenSolaris to some people already using Linux, and expect them to contribute to OpenSolaris (which is what Sun is hoping), then giving people less functionality than what they have now with much the same software isn't really going to work.
Solaris has the same functionality when it comes to backspace. It ships with bash which is what linux uses.
In fact it offers a lot more.
I am somewhat suspicious of a company who runs around telling everyone that OpenSolaris is an open source project and is just like Linux, when it just isn't:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2008-February/004...
It just smacks of marketing. It's OK. I don't expect you to read it.
Linux kernel developers have quit publicly too. Your point?
Edited 2008-05-06 00:23 UTC
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2005-07-07
Have to agree really. When you look at OpenSolaris, and its inability to do Virtual Terminals as well, you really have to ask what you're getting. All they're doing is stuff that Linux distros fixed......years ago.
Err let's see ZFS snapshotting before system updates seem like something no Linux distro supports.
Yet Linux has a minuscule desktop market share of 2.02%. MacOS X doesn't do Virtual Consoles either but has more market share, 7.3 %. MacOS X has been around since 2001. Linux since 1992. MacOS X
Bottom line virtual consoles don't sell anything.
Do you really have to pick at straws on every Sun related topic? It would make sense if you ever had a reasonable argument to make.