Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 3rd May 2008 20:44 UTC, submitted by Moochman
Oracle and SUN Engadget got the chance to sit down with Jonathan Schwartz, the pony-tailed CEO of Sun Microsystems. Being the gadget blog that they are, Engadget asked Schwartz about the long-missing JavaFX Mobile platform Sun has promised, Java on the iPhone, and competing with Microsoft as an open source vendor.
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RE[7]: Shame ...
by segedunum on Tue 6th May 2008 16:17 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Shame ..."
segedunum
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You absolutely, cannot read sweetheart, as you have ably demonstrated.

Those two graphs showed server unit growth, versus how much their x86 sales are growing. What they did not show was total units sold as you think that they do. From TFA:

"Sun indicated that it had sold slightly more servers, but a much sharper rise of Opteron sales reveals that Sparc sales are still on the way down. At the moment, Niagara generates returns of 100 million dollars per quarter, on a total of 1.3 billion in the area of servers."


That's it.

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RE[8]: Shame ...
by Arun on Tue 6th May 2008 16:29 in reply to "RE[7]: Shame ..."
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2005-07-07



Those two graphs showed server unit growth, versus how much their x86 sales are growing. What they did not show was total units sold as you think that they do. From TFA:


What does the ServerUnits (thousands) on the y axis mean?

From the charts it is obvious that Sun sold a total of 100,000 in q406 servers out of which close to 30,000 were x86.

The 14% growth number is growth from q405. If you look at the chart q405 has less than 100,000 units if the chart were bigger we could easily see that the difference in q405 and q406 in total server shipments would be 14%. Indicating a growth.

Same fort the x86 chart. Q406 close to 30,000 and q405 close to 21,000 or so. So 83% growth.

""Sun indicated that it had sold slightly more servers, but a much sharper rise of Opteron sales reveals that Sparc sales are still on the way down. At the moment, Niagara generates returns of 100 million dollars per quarter, on a total of 1.3 billion in the area of servers."


That's it.
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The statement Sun sold more servers is true because they sold 14% more server YoY. The sale of SPAC systems seems flat to slightly more. if in Q405 Sun sold 90,000 units and in q406 they sold 100,000. In Q405 they sold 21000 x86 boxes and q406 they sold 29,000. then they sold 2000 more Sparc boxes than before.

Sun sells an order of magnitude more SPARC boxes than x86. Your claim that x86 systems make up most of the sales for Sun is just plain wrong and the fact that your point to charts that disprove your own claim is just astounding.

Sun sells more than Niagara boxes. In 2006 Nigara based boxes were only 2 models. 2 Models selling 100 million worth with the year they were introduced is a good thing. Your assumption is that Sun's only SPARC offering was niagara and that is how you erroneously concluded what you did.

If you do want to bash Sun at the very least familiarize your self with the products.

Did you even attend high school? Seriously. This is a simple exercise in comprehension.

Edited 2008-05-06 16:43 UTC

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RE[9]: Shame ...
by segedunum on Tue 6th May 2008 17:49 in reply to "RE[8]: Shame ..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

if in Q405 Sun sold 90,000 units and in q406 they sold 100,000. In Q405 they sold 21000 x86 boxes and q406 they sold 29,000.

You've just described the point of why I posted that article (growth of shipments). It illustrates the point within the context of this thread:

Sun are funding an entire hardware platform that was totally outgrown and outperformed both in growth and overall revenue by their x86 business, and what they ship each quarter.

then they sold 2000 more Sparc boxes than before.

SPARC sales are declining. x86 is just taking up more of the whole, and they're accounting for close to all of the growth, if any, that Sun gets each quarter.

Sun simply can't afford to hang on to that and expect to compete with their own x86 servers that they sell either in terms of growth, revenue, margins or the costs that they incur.

Their SPARC business is going to continue to decline unless they can put SPARC where IBM's Power is or pull their fingers out and give SPARC the raw power of x86 to attract people. Neither looks likely.

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