Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th May 2008 20:24 UTC
Microsoft In February 2008, the European Commission fined Microsoft for the record-breaking amount of 899 million Euros, for not complying to the 2004 ruling from Brussels. Today, Microsoft announced it has decided to appeal the fine. "We are filing this appeal in a constructive effort to seek clarity from the court. We will not be saying anything further," the company stated.
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Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Fri 9th May 2008 21:12 UTC
satan666
Member since:
2008-04-18

I hope the European Commission will increase the fine.

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RE: Comment by satan666
by helf on Fri 9th May 2008 21:26 in reply to "Comment by satan666"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Why? Can you give a good, well thought out reason? One other than, "Because I hate MS@!@222111!!"?

And don't come back "It's obvious! They are evil!!".

It amazes me the number of people that jump on the MS hate bandwagon without actually really knowing the companies history...

Edited 2008-05-09 21:26 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by reduz on Fri 9th May 2008 22:06 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

I believe hating microsoft is more than hell of a good reason, as they did way more than enough to be hated.

Also, i think it's a good way to force them interoperate with everyone else in the future..

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by eantoranz on Fri 9th May 2008 22:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
eantoranz Member since:
2005-12-18

It amazes me the number of people that jump on the MS hate bandwagon without actually really knowing the companies history...


On the contrary... because we know of MS history is why we hate them.

Anyway... just to make a long story short and not repeat what is elsewhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by bousozoku on Sat 10th May 2008 15:28 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

Why? Can you give a good, well thought out reason? One other than, "Because I hate MS@!@222111!!"?

And don't come back "It's obvious! They are evil!!".

It amazes me the number of people that jump on the MS hate bandwagon without actually really knowing the companies history...


Take their agreement with Stac, for instance. They had an agreement to add compression to MS-DOS and at the last minute, they canceled the agreement and they put the compression in by themselves. They ended up paying Stac in court.

How about what they did with DR-DOS 5 and Windows 3.0 where the installation spread FUD since MS-DOS wasn't installed or the fact that they did the same thing with DR-DOS 6 and Windows 3.1? Andrew Schulmann showed, using Periscope, how they were not checking for safety's sake--they were checking for DR-DOS.

There were many other incidences, so which history are we supposed to remember?

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 10th May 2008 20:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

It amazes me the number of people that jump on the MS hate bandwagon without actually really knowing the companies history...


At this point, the only thing that amazes me is that no one has (yet) accused you of being a Microsoft employee/shill/Bill Gates himself/etc.

Personally, my (cynical) attempt at an explanation is that "anything-but-Microsoft" posturing so become so popular that it's the first choice of those who wish to appear insightful - but can't be bothered with the effort of gaining actual insight.

The irony - and the sad part - is that when peoplle criticize Microsoft solely using simplistic rhetoric, it accomplishes the exact opposite of the intended effect. Speaking personally, it makes me want to go out and purchase Microsoft stock just to be contrary - in the same way that strident anti-smoking propaganda makes me want to go chain-smoke a pack of Lucky Strikes.

It's certainly not as if there is any lack of legitimate, specific reasons to criticize Microsoft and their software.

Edited 2008-05-10 20:13 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by trenchsol on Sun 11th May 2008 13:08 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
trenchsol Member since:
2006-12-07

Microsoft has history of monopolistic behavior that goes deep in the past. It is in best interest of the computer users, consumers and developers of cross platform applications to keep Microsoft under constant pressure and at disadvantage.

That way there is more chance to have many products to choose from by different vendors and at lower prices.

Figuratively speaking Microsoft's head should be kept under water all the time, except very brief periods to let them breath some air. This is not about Open Source, FSF and those things it is just pure interest.

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RE: Comment by satan666
by sbergman27 on Fri 9th May 2008 22:20 in reply to "Comment by satan666"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I do not think that the fine will be increased. However, the fine was for specific types of violations and only covers up through last fall. The EC has not yet investigated the field where the most damaging of Microsoft's skeletons are buried.

The current dog an pony show that Microsoft is conducting, in which they proclaim their new devotion to openness and sharing, is intended to head off such an investigation, although it appears the the EC isn't buying it.

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RE: Comment by satan666
by Nelson on Fri 9th May 2008 22:22 in reply to "Comment by satan666"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Laws cease to be effective when they become unfair. Slapping an additional fine for appealing?

It's like giving an inmate double his sentence for appealing his trial. Come on.

You may hate Microsoft for every reason under the sun, but that would set a dangerous precedent.

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by JamesTRexx on Sat 10th May 2008 05:32 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
JamesTRexx Member since:
2005-11-06

Who said they're getting an additional fine for appealing?

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by mabhatter on Sat 10th May 2008 17:35 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
mabhatter Member since:
2005-07-17

it's more like a late fee. If you don't pay a speeding or parking ticket they keep tacking on a few bucks per month regardless of any appeals, this is no different. Other than MS already said they'd "comply" and got key members on their side, now they're appealing the fine. This is the problem with Corporations, there's nobody to lock in Jail. If you don't pay a parking ticket, eventually, they catch you on a Friday nite and you spend the weekend in jail. There needs to be an equivalant for companies that don't comply.. shut them down, lock the buildings, something to get their attention. This is the typical corporate case where MS has run the clock down on the original grievance for so long that the EU is now the bad guy and the damage to other companies that warranted the fine, and the years of non-compliance that multiplied it, is forgotten.

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