Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th May 2008 07:08 UTC
Windows Windows XP SP3, the final service pack for Windows XP, was released to manufacturing a few weeks ago, and popped up on Windows Update about a week later. Even though the service pack is rather light on actual new features, it still caused a few problems for some users. Despite these problems, some benchmarks show that while SP3 delivers better performance compared to XP SP2, Microsoft seems to have solved many performance issues with Vista, turning the company's latest OS offering into the better choice for gaming - according to ExtremeTech.
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RE: Not worth
by Soulbender on Tue 13th May 2008 15:33 UTC in reply to "Not worth"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

There's no reason to go to Vista. My brand-spanking new company laptop, a Compaq c2d, that came with Home Premium is so much snappier in XP it's not funny.
Power management is amazingly stupid. No way to configure different schemes for when on AC and when on battery? WTF? Are we back in 1995?
Network and Sharing Center (or whatever the hell it is called) is equally unfriendly and a total pain. What was wrong with XP's "Network Connections"? Nothing. Granted it didn't show a fancy (and incorrect) "map" of your network but on the other hand it actually worked right.
Gaming faster in Vista? Uh, what are they smoking? Not on my machine it aint and SP1 made it even slower (granted it's only in one game, Soldiers, but it horribly slow. I'm not lying when I say it takes like one minute for the exit dialog to pop on screen).
While UAC popping up is somewhat annoying it's nothing compared to the fact that it takes forever for it to pop up. You just sit there waiting for something to happen for what feels like forever.
I cant wait to get XP on it and since SP3 added the necessary drivers that wont be long now.

Thankfully it runs Ubuntu (and any Linux distro, i'd wager) perfectly fine with everything supported.

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RE[2]: Not worth
by google_ninja on Tue 13th May 2008 17:34 in reply to "RE: Not worth"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Power management is amazingly stupid. No way to configure different schemes for when on AC and when on battery? WTF? Are we back in 1995?


Why would you want to configure different schemes? In vista, you can configure a plugged in, and on battery profile for each scheme.

Network and Sharing Center (or whatever the hell it is called) is equally unfriendly and a total pain. What was wrong with XP's "Network Connections"? Nothing. Granted it didn't show a fancy (and incorrect) "map" of your network but on the other hand it actually worked right.


"Network Connections" is accessed by clicking "Manage My Network Connections", and is the exact same thing as xp. Network and Sharing Center replaces an absolutely retarded wizard that has shipped with every version of windows up till vista.

Gaming faster in Vista? Uh, what are they smoking? Not on my machine it aint and SP1 made it even slower (granted it's only in one game, Soldiers, but it horribly slow. I'm not lying when I say it takes like one minute for the exit dialog to pop on screen).


There are alot of game specific issues with vista, but I find every new game I have tried runs significantly better on Vista then XP. My roomate uses XP, and for gears of war could barely play it on the minimum settings. With comparable specs, I am able to play it maxed.

While UAC popping up is somewhat annoying it's nothing compared to the fact that it takes forever for it to pop up. You just sit there waiting for something to happen for what feels like forever.


UAC means you can actually realistically run as a non administrator for the first time in the history of windows. The lack of the ability to run in a least privileged environment makes XP downright archaic by comparison.

I cant wait to get XP on it and since SP3 added the necessary drivers that wont be long now.


Aparently. It seems like you were completely unwilling to spend more then a few seconds looking for anything, since most of your gripes are pretty silly.

Thankfully it runs Ubuntu (and any Linux distro, i'd wager) perfectly fine with everything supported.


I wouldn't bet on it, about one in ten times my laptop will not wake up in ubuntu, which has never happened in vista.

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RE[3]: Not worth
by Soulbender on Wed 14th May 2008 05:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Not worth"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Why would you want to configure different schemes? In vista, you can configure a plugged in, and on battery profile for each scheme.


Why should I have to? The only reasonable default is to save power when on battery and maximize performance when on AC. Vista obviously doesnt do this since it drains battery like there's no tomorrow. Thankfully there's a 3rd party app on Codeplex (Vista Battery Saver) that makes things sane.

Network and Sharing Center replaces an absolutely retarded wizard that has shipped with every version of windows up till vista.


Replacing one useless retarded thing with another uselss retarded thing isn't a step forward.

but I find every new game I have tried runs
significantly better on Vista then XP.


I guess my problem is that the games I play arent new enough to be designed for Vista.

UAC means you can actually realistically run as a non administrator for the first time in the history of windows.


I know what it's good for, thank you. The problem is that sometimes you start an app and you're left waiting and waiting and waiting while Vista chugs the hard disk only to after what seem like an eternity present you with a dialog asking if want to allow this app to run. Come to think of it, that might not be UAC but it's mighty frustrating nonetheless.

Aparently. It seems like you were completely unwilling to spend more then a few seconds looking for anything, since most of your gripes are pretty silly.


Actually, I used it for 3 weeks and I do not like the way it works. I know where to find the different things but I dont like the way it's different from XP. (I want Network Connections by default, not the retarded sharing center)
It's slower and more sluggish, even when you turn off Aero. I see no reason for me to use it unless I have to.

I wouldn't bet on it, about one in ten times my laptop will not wake up in ubuntu,


Since I've been running Ubuntu daily for 3 weeks on it and using both suspend and hibernate without problems, yes it does.

Another funny thing happened last night. I aborted the Vista boot by powering off the laptop. Later I turned it on again and Vista went into something called "Startup Repair". This went on for like 15 minutes doing God knows what only to say that my system cant be repaired. Now, that did sound quite alarming but all I had to do was power off and on and all was back to normal. What the hell?

Btw, thanks for modding me down people. I guess there are other zealots than Linux ones.

Edited 2008-05-14 05:11 UTC

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RE[3]: Not worth
by Valhalla on Wed 14th May 2008 21:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Not worth"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

google_ninja wrote:
-"UAC means you can actually realistically run as a non administrator for the first time in the history of windows. The lack of the ability to run in a least privileged environment makes XP downright archaic by comparison."

I find this puzzling, ever since the arrival of win2k I've been doing all my day to day work in windows from an unpriviledged user account. while most programs need administrator priviledges to install software (which is a bad tradition on windows), I can't remember the time I last encountered programs that needed administrator priviledges when actually using them. and even when installing I don't need to leave my unpriviledged account since I can run the installer as 'administrator' using the 'RunAs' command.

I'm curious, which are these applications that I seem to be missing that needs administrator priviledges to run?

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