Linked by Adam S on Wed 21st May 2008 19:28 UTC
Features, Office According to BetaNews, Microsoft has announced that they will support OpenDocument (ODF) and PDF in Office 2007 SP2. This comes as a major victory not only for OpenOffice.org and its offshoots, but also for open source in general. Microsoft is planning on making Office 2007 SP2 available in the first half of 2009.
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RE: Excelent....
by lemur2 on Wed 21st May 2008 23:22 UTC in reply to "Excelent...."
lemur2
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2007-02-17

Excelent, now we will have an incompatible version of ODF available only for Windows and under the Microsoft's control. This is great news.


Unlike any format of Microsoft's, OpenDocument has a test suite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Specifications
"There is a comprehensive set of sample documents in OpenDocument Format available. The whole test suite is available under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license."

http://testsuite.opendocumentfellowship.com/

When Office 2007 can open and save these documents flawlessly, only then can it claim that it supports ODF.

This fact IMO, coupled with the claim that it will be possible to set ODF as the default file format, makes this announcement wonderful news.

Interoperability ... finally!

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RE[2]: Excelent....
by marafaka on Fri 23rd May 2008 10:17 in reply to "RE: Excelent...."
marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

And if they do extend it and get the twisted word out by a PR campaign? It will not even be your word against their. If there was any logic here, MS would be long dead.

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RE[3]: Excelent....
by gustl on Sun 25th May 2008 19:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Excelent...."
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

Don't get me wrong, but ODF is SUPPOSED to be extended.

It is just not suposed to be extended the Microsoft way - creating an extension in their own namespace for which a standardized tag already exists.

Want an example?

MS Office has the possibility to create "art-borders", that are borders consisting of lots of small clip-arts. In OOXML format these borders get saved by writing a tag which just specifies a number, and the number is associated with whatever should be drawn (for example, number 1234 might be a little Santa Claus, whereas number 5678 might be the Easter Bunny). No picture is actually stored in the document itself.

MS has those possibilities to save the art-borders in ODF:
1. - Store the clip arts forming the border as inserted graphics (no good idea, since it might happen, that some of the small pictures end up in the wrong place).
2. - Create a new tag within the microsoft: namespace, which marks the border as an art-border, and add the clip-art file forming the border to the document. So applications which decide to implement this tag can render the document correctly, applications which don't implement it will just display a normal line border.
3. - They create a new tag within the microsoft: namespace, but store just the clipart reference number. Then every application other than MSOffice which decides to implement this tag would have to provide their own clip-arts to be able to render the file correctly.

I would say, number 2 is the technically best solution, number 1 is a crutch but very interoperable, and number 3 is what I expect microsoft to do if they extend ODF at all.

What I even expect more is MS implementing ODF 1.1, and never ever moving up to ODF 1.2. Then MS can pop up the "you might loose some formatting" with even more vigor.

MS actually participating in a constructive way in the ODF development would be fine, I just don't believe in their constructiveness unless I see it happen. The danger ODF now faces is if Microsoft stuffs the ODF development team with their own "independent" experts, like they did during the last year with the various national commitees which were casting their votes at ISO. In that way they could halt the ODF development, or sabotage it completely.

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