Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th May 2008 10:58 UTC, submitted by i386DX
Linux Abandoned Zone reviewed several lightweight Linux distributions, and concluded: "First of all it has to be clear that there's a difference between 'lightweight' and 'lightweight'. Especially Damn Small Linux is very lightweight, but also it's not really usable on 'more recent' systems. It think DSL is perfect for 486 or Pentium 1-based systems but nothing more. At the other side there are Zenwalk and Xubuntu which are pretty heavy lightweight distributions. I think the use of Xfce has something to do with that. All the others are floating between those two extremes."
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RE: Draco GNU/linux
by madhatter on Mon 26th May 2008 14:39 UTC in reply to "Draco GNU/linux"
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2005-07-07

So OSS is an advantage? The only good reason for it, I could find, was that only OSS is supported by pkgsrc.
Never tried Draco though, but I'm eager to test it, as it's philosophy is similiar to Arch's.

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RE[2]: Draco GNU/linux
by vermaden on Mon 26th May 2008 15:16 in reply to "RE: Draco GNU/linux"
vermaden Member since:
2006-11-18

So OSS is an advantage? The only good reason for it, I could find, was that only OSS is supported by pkgsrc.
Never tried Draco though, but I'm eager to test it, as it's philosophy is similiar to Arch's.


It's easy to find that that you do not even know the difference between OSS and ALSA ;)

Look at all that mess:
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/linuxaudio.png

While in FreeBSD and Draco Linux you pass everything to OSS and EVERYTHING is mixed in kernel real time.

What Linux uses for audio? ALSA + GStreamer + ARTS + Esound + Pulseaudio and then finally touch sound card.

What does FreeBSD (and 4Front OSS) do here? APPLICATION --> OSS --> sound card, no unneded layers that create additional overhead and compatibility problems.

OSS is well documented (including API) while ALSA is one big mess without documentation.

Also let Ubuntu serve as an example here, which uses ALSA + PulseAudio, start Rythmobox and then start Wine, Wine does not have sound, start Wine at the beginning, Rythmobox does not have sound, because of what? Befause of ALSA.

I am sick and tired of all these sick ideas about ALSA, PulseAudio or any other shit that do not work.

I also do not understand why people jerk off so much about ALSA while not knowing its technical and functional disadvantages comparing to OSS.

OSS is also open source, it is avialable on GPL, BSD and even CDDL license if you use Solaris.

OSS is cross platform and works on all major UNIXes and Linux, while ALSA works ONLY on Linux.

ALSA is shit, but people just get used to that shit and are scared to hell to try something new, taht is a lot better and polished, but that is their problem.

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RE[3]: Draco GNU/linux
by WereCatf on Mon 26th May 2008 15:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Draco GNU/linux"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

What Linux uses for audio? ALSA + GStreamer + ARTS + Esound + Pulseaudio and then finally touch sound card.

What does FreeBSD (and 4Front OSS) do here? APPLICATION --> OSS --> sound card, no unneded layers that create additional overhead and compatibility problems.


Wow you are soooo wrong it almost hurts :O

GStreamer is a multimedia framework, using OSS does not make the situation any different. Arts and Esound are both obsolete, they are not used at on modern distros. AND, again that has nothing to do with OSS or ALSA. Oh, and PulseAudio...well, PulseAudio is not driver. It's a layer that f.ex. allows network audio. I dunno if PulseAudio works with OSS though.

OSS is well documented (including API) while ALSA is one big mess without documentation.

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/ There you go. Sorry to break your bubble.

Also let Ubuntu serve as an example here, which uses ALSA + PulseAudio, start Rythmobox and then start Wine, Wine does not have sound, start Wine at the beginning, Rythmobox does not have sound, because of what? Befause of ALSA.

No, it's actually because Rhythmbox does use PulseAudio whereas Wine doesn't have PulseAudio driver. So, it is not actually a fault in either PulseAudio or ALSA, it's just because Wine lacks support.

I also do not understand why people jerk off so much about ALSA while not knowing its technical and functional disadvantages comparing to OSS.

Then let us hear them? Or were those arguments above those?

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RE[3]: Draco GNU/linux
by diego on Mon 26th May 2008 20:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Draco GNU/linux"
diego Member since:
2006-08-15

ALSA > OSS

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RE[3]: Draco GNU/linux
by Havin_it on Tue 27th May 2008 02:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Draco GNU/linux"
Havin_it Member since:
2006-03-10

OK, here's what I (think I) know about m'own humble system.

I have ALSA enabled in my kernel. I have also enabled the oss-emulation modules that are part of it, but I've never seen them loaded.

I run KDE, but Arts is disabled in all KDE packages. It's not present on my system at all. Nor are GStreamer, PulseAudio or ESD.

Any application that makes sound of any kind, does so without any tinkering. Sound "just works".

That's my laptop. On my server, where no sound is made and I didn't even enable sound-support in the kernel, I still had to build Arts as a dependency of the CLI management app for my RAID controller.

Life is weird :/

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