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Windows I personally doubted that Windows 7 would make an actual appearance during the Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer joint interview up on stage at the D6 conference, but as it turns out, it has made an appearance. During an interview conducted by Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher about Ballmer and Gates' past, present, and future, a short demo was given of Windows 7.
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Finally
by sukru on Wed 28th May 2008 04:12 UTC
sukru
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2006-11-19

MS has finally decided to make business sense with their products. They have so much technology in their research department, but they somehow manage to mis-market them.

Look at Google Desktop. MS was really shocked to see that happening. They already had the infrastructure built for years, but did not think about making a simple user interface. When they decided to do so, they were labeled "copycats".

This will get interesting.

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RE: Finally
by mallard on Wed 28th May 2008 07:53 in reply to "Finally"
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2006-01-06


Look at Google Desktop. MS was really shocked to see that happening. They already had the infrastructure built for years, but did not think about making a simple user interface. When they decided to do so, they were labeled "copycats".


They were labelled "copycats" because they were copycats. Microsoft had never had a significant presence in the web search business, yet as soon as Google start to become dominant they scramble together to make a "me too" product. That's what Microsoft do. As soon as they see somebody else doing something that is/they think will be successful, they copy it (or buy it if the company has not yet reached critical mass).

Windows -> Visi-On, Lisa, Mac, Xerox
DOS -> QDOS, CP/M
Windows NT -> OS/2*, UNIX to an extent
Word -> WordPerfect, etc.
Excel -> Lotus 123
Internet Explorer -> Netscape, Mosaic
etc, etc.

*Microsoft initially partnered with IBM on OS/2 development, so it is not a straight copy.

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RE[2]: Finally
by sukru on Wed 28th May 2008 10:35 in reply to "RE: Finally"
sukru Member since:
2006-11-19


When they decided to do so, they were labeled "copycats".


They were labelled "copycats" because they were copycats. Microsoft had never had a significant presence in the web search business, yet as soon as Google start to become dominant they scramble together to make a "me too" product.


No actually MS had desktop search much before Google did. It's been around at least since Windows 2000, maybe earlier. MS copied many things, but desktop search is not one of them. (As I said they lacked a usable GUI).

While we're on the topic:

Windows -> MacOS. You're right here. but MacOS is a copy of Xerox, too.

DOS -> QDOS (MS bought QDOS and renamed it MS-DOS, no copying here)

Windows NT -> OS/2 (NT was actually supposed to be OS2/NT, yet IBM failed to provide enough support on the project, and MS decided to go on their own. NT is (or used to be) able to run OS/2 programs natively).

Word -> WordPerfect, etc. Once again you're right. However WordPerfect was in the same position of MS today: better product with less appealing GUI.

Excel -> Lotus 123. (This is a nice one. The first GUI spreadsheet (that I know) is Excel on Mac (ironically not windows). At that time (1985) Lotus was still text based.)

Internet Explorer -> Netscape, Mosaic (Nope. I was able to work with the Mosaic project manager during an internship. He told that the some of the mosaic team went on and founded Netscape, while some others joined MS to build Internet Explorer. Both are continuations, or in proper terms, forks of the original Mosaic code base).

I know MS has a very bad image, and they do many thing improperly. However much of the criticism is actually urban legends.

Edited 2008-05-28 10:36 UTC

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RE[2]: Finally
by StephenBeDoper on Wed 28th May 2008 14:15 in reply to "RE: Finally"
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2005-07-06

Ah, OSNews - where every old meme is new again.

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RE[2]: Finally
by tupp on Thu 29th May 2008 04:23 in reply to "RE: Finally"
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2006-11-12

Windows -> Visi-On, Lisa, Mac, Xerox


Exactly what did Windows inherit that was originated in the Lisa and Mac GUIs?

Windows eventually did use a trash can (questionable value) and tried to hide the directory mapping like the Mac (a huge usability mistake for both Windows and Mac), but I can't think of one other GUI item originated by Apple that is used in any version of Windows. Apple actually has not innovated much of anything.

However, I can think of one very useful and significant item that originated in Windows and that was eventually picked-up in most GUIs -- the taskbar/dock (1985): http://toastytech.com/guis/bigw101.gif

Edited 2008-05-29 04:31 UTC

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