Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th May 2008 14:49 UTC
Windows We have learnt quite a lot about Windows 7 this week, and one of the things was that Windows 7 would not get a new kernel. The call for a new kernel has been made a few times on the internet, but anyone with a bit more insight into Windows' kernel knows that there is absolutely no need to write a new kernel for Windows - the problems with Windows lie in userland, not kernelland. While the authenticity of the Shipping Seven blog is not undisputed, the blogger makes some very excellent points regarding the kernel matter.
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RE: Comment by FunkyELF
by Adam S on Fri 30th May 2008 17:22 UTC in reply to "Comment by FunkyELF"
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

I haven't seen XP drop a BSOD not identifiably related to bum hardware in almost 5 years. And, though it pains me to admit it, I've never seen Vista BSOD... ever. I have not seen Windows 2008 BSOD yet despite many connected users over terminal services.

The Windows kernel has been significantly hardened in the last few years, and it shows. Those who complain otherwise about issues that haven't been issues in the better part of a decade sound like people who complain motivated on politics with absolutely no experience with the technologies they complain about.

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RE[2]: Comment by FunkyELF
by joshv on Fri 30th May 2008 17:46 in reply to "RE: Comment by FunkyELF"
joshv Member since:
2006-03-18

Early on with Vista I had what probably would have been a BSOD in XP. I installed the latest and greatest Vista nVidia driver (my mistake) and the driver itself would quite frequently crash while playing games. In XP that would have been a BSOD - in Vista the game crashed, and the driver restarted.

These days though I haven't had a video driver crash in probably 6 or more months. nVidia has cleaned up their drivers. No doubt the fact that the system doesn't blue screen when the vid driver goes down helps them troubleshoot the issue.

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RE[3]: Comment by FunkyELF
by hollovoid on Fri 30th May 2008 18:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by FunkyELF"
hollovoid Member since:
2005-09-21

Very true, Vista does handle more than just video driver crashes much better as well, My sound card drivers used to crash constantly (creative) when vista was just released, but it never BSOD'ed on me, and I could even get sound back by disabling and re-enabling the device, not so on XP, and not so on Linux, which would panic or just freeze all together. While windows has made alot of mistakes, it is becoming quite stable (havent shut down my vista media computer in many many months). Many companies release hardware products that were brilliantly engineered, and hired the cheapest programming team to write the drivers, and its nice to have a kernel robust enough to handle thier mistakes so you can keep on going on.

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v RE[2]: Comment by FunkyELF
by shapeshifter on Fri 30th May 2008 19:08 in reply to "RE: Comment by FunkyELF"
RE[2]: Comment by FunkyELF
by sakeniwefu on Fri 30th May 2008 23:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by FunkyELF"
sakeniwefu Member since:
2008-02-26

The first Vista machine I used BSODed continuously, mind you it was when the thing had just been released and was running in a crazy laptop. XP has never BSODed on me but it has restarted a few times because of faulty hardware, yet nothing that can be tracked to Microsoft.

You can be mad at them because of their closed-sourcedness, their mafia-pushed standards, the stupid kids they have designing their GUIs, DRM, or the compulsory activation of software as I am, but you(the original flame post) lose all your credibility when you start outright lying about their software and its faults, denying problems with Linux, and other similar FUD tactics. You have become them, YOU ARE MICROSOFT.

The NT kernel is a modern kernel, it is similar to the Linux kernel in some ways, it offers similar features and has been updated as well to include the latest trends in lower end computing. A faulty driver or hardware will screw them both, BSOD or otherwise. FUD from the Windows 95 era is not fun or accurate anymore, so, stop it.

And I thought this site had a better population than Slashdot. In the end the GNUyatolahs are there to spoil any intelligent discussion.

We like OSs and want to discuss the real technical issues and differences between them and to get excited at the prospect of new better systems even if at the end we are gonna be disappointed.

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RE[3]: Comment by FunkyELF
by kaiwai on Sat 31st May 2008 00:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by FunkyELF"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The first Vista machine I used BSODed continuously, mind you it was when the thing had just been released and was running in a crazy laptop. XP has never BSODed on me but it has restarted a few times because of faulty hardware, yet nothing that can be tracked to Microsoft.


The only time I had Windows XP BSOD was with a bad driver with the pinnacle pctv card I bought - oh, and in Windows NT4 because of a memory module I had which was faulty (and caused issues in Linux as well as Windows 9x too).

You can be mad at them because of their closed-sourcedness, their mafia-pushed standards, the stupid kids they have designing their GUIs, DRM, or the compulsory activation of software as I am, but you(the original flame post) lose all your credibility when you start outright lying about their software and its faults, denying problems with Linux, and other similar FUD tactics. You have become them, YOU ARE MICROSOFT.


The problem is that far too many people here have some sort of emotional baggage that comes with a given operating system - as if the operating system were an extension of their personality, and by virtue of critiquing their operating system, they see it as an attack on them.

The NT kernel is a modern kernel, it is similar to the Linux kernel in some ways, it offers similar features and has been updated as well to include the latest trends in lower end computing. A faulty driver or hardware will screw them both, BSOD or otherwise. FUD from the Windows 95 era is not fun or accurate anymore, so, stop it.

And I thought this site had a better population than Slashdot. In the end the GNUyatolahs are there to spoil any intelligent discussion.

We like OSs and want to discuss the real technical issues and differences between them and to get excited at the prospect of new better systems even if at the end we are gonna be disappointed.


Well, don't expect a decent level of conversation here; it is as bad as Digg, Slashdot, Kryoshin and other troll related boards. Arstechnica used to be interesting the battle front until you have the uneducated rantings of cluelessness from the cheap seats.

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