Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Jun 2008 09:40 UTC, submitted by tbutler
Linux Back in 2001, there was a company who thought they could launch a sustainable business model around a file manager. They wrote the file manager itself, and figured they could profit from offering online services delivered through the file manager. However, the company ran out of money quickly, and wen they released version 1.0 of their file manager, they had to fire everyone, only to go down a few months later. That company was Eazel, and the file manager was Nautilus. Apparently, some saw this as the demise of the Linux desktop - others didn't.
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RE: lack of vision
by Manuma on Sun 1st Jun 2008 14:44 UTC in reply to "lack of vision"
Manuma
Member since:
2005-07-28

Im so tired of you, always seeking to attack GNOME in every oportunity you have, for the last time, we are not swiching to KDE, take your poison else where.

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RE[2]: lack of vision
by sbergman27 on Sun 1st Jun 2008 15:13 in reply to "RE: lack of vision"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Im so tired of you, always seeking to attack GNOME in every oportunity you have

Yep, that's Superstoned. Let me pose a question (a few questions?), which I believe to be relevant to all FOSS desktop advocates:

Would KDE benefit from an influx of current Gnome users? Would Gnome benefit from an influx of current KDE users?

I phrase the question(s) in terms of Gnome and KDE, but one can easily generalize to E and other desktops.

Let's just live and let live. The current desktops all provide something that their current user base appreciates. Would any of us benefit from being forced onto one set of mailing lists to battle it out? No matter what desktop you currently prefer, it would mean an influx of people arguing to turn it into something else. Is that really what any of us wants?

I prefer Gnome. And I am happy that those who prefer KDE *have* KDE to use. It is good that people have desktops that they like. But even if I were in a selfish mood, I would still not want a mass of people trying to turn my desktop into something that it was never intended to be.

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RE[3]: lack of vision
by leos on Sun 1st Jun 2008 15:32 in reply to "RE[2]: lack of vision"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Would KDE benefit from an influx of current Gnome users? Would Gnome benefit from an influx of current KDE users?


I imagine this movement happens all the time back and forth.
Neither project benefits so much from a few extra users. But extra developers make a big difference. .

No matter what desktop you currently prefer, it would mean an influx of people arguing to turn it into something else. Is that really what any of us wants?


That doesn't really make sense. If Gnome users switched to KDE, they obviously did it because they didn't like Gnome for some reason. They wouldn't be arguing to make KDE like Gnome. Same goes for the reverse direction.

Of course it's good that both projects exist, but people switching between the two are not a problem at all.

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RE[3]: lack of vision
by rexstuff on Sun 1st Jun 2008 15:34 in reply to "RE[2]: lack of vision"
rexstuff Member since:
2007-04-06


Would KDE benefit from an influx of current Gnome users? Would Gnome benefit from an influx of current KDE users?


Well, yes. There is at least some positive relation between the number of users and the number of developers in an open source software project. Granted, few veteran developers of either project would be likely to jump ship and join the other project, but for the budding FOSS developers, they are going to be more inclined to join a software project that they actually use.

(Very)Generally speaking, more developers means more features, more rapid development and more eyeballs making those annoying bugs that much shallower.

Is this a good reason to evangelize your desktop environment? Probably not, but it certainly makes sense from a users POV.

A better reason to 'spread the message' is that I enjoy my DE of choice (in my case, KDE). I naturally think it is superior to other DEs, otherwise I would be using those. If I think it is superior software, I of course think that everyone would benefit by using it over others. From my POV, encouraging people to use KDE (or GNOME, if that is your preference) is doing them a favour. I have their best interests at heart.

Unfortunately, we are all too willing to be blinded by our preference, to the point where we sometimes refuse to acknowledge that is just that - a matter of preference.

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RE[2]: lack of vision
by segedunum on Sun 1st Jun 2008 16:47 in reply to "RE: lack of vision"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Im so tired of you, always seeking to attack GNOME in every oportunity you have

I didn't see him attacking Gnome. He, and Thom underneath, have called the situation as they see it.

The situation that we have at the moment is that free desktops need to move on to the kinds of stuff that Vista and Mac OS are doing, both visually, and in a development sense to attract more users, and hopefully, more developers. KDE is currently going through a painful medium/long-term process to try and get there. Gnome isn't, and it doesn't look as if any process will be started any time soon.

for the last time, we are not swiching to KDE, take your poison else where.

That's absolutely fine for you, but there will come a point where people will look at what's on offer and many will. People and development tend to go where the development and the weight is.

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RE[3]: lack of vision
by Manuma on Sun 1st Jun 2008 16:52 in reply to "RE[2]: lack of vision"
Manuma Member since:
2005-07-28

Look who is talking, the other anti-GNOME/Mono troll.

Edited 2008-06-01 16:59 UTC

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RE[3]: lack of vision
by superstoned on Sun 1st Jun 2008 19:40 in reply to "RE[2]: lack of vision"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

Indeed, thank you.

I do have one thing to say about this statement you made:
Gnome isn't, and it doesn't look as if any process will be started any time soon.

I think that's not true. They are thinking about a large change, a cleanup. I listened to some brainstorming about that when I was at Guademy, the joint KDE-Gnome meeting. I did have the impression they were not very ambitious, they just wanted to catch up to what Apple, MS and KDE/Qt have been doing. Not really a compelling vision. When I asked about that they didn't really have an extensive response, other than 'our resources are limited' and 'we want to keep it as incremental as possible'.

Imho sad - for the Free Desktop. In contrary to what *someone* suggested, I'd rather see Gnome win than MS or Apple. Unfortunately, I personally believe innovation is the way to achieve supremacy, and I simply don't seem to share that vision with the Gnome developers...

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RE[2]: lack of vision
by jasutton on Tue 3rd Jun 2008 04:26 in reply to "RE: lack of vision"
jasutton Member since:
2006-03-28

Your comment was completely unnecessary. He stated his point of view (which is what the comment section is for). You aren't being forced to read or agree with what he said.

Do you know what I'm tired of? I'm tired of the constant bickering that goes on between Gnome and KDE fanatics. I mean, my friends at work and I poke fun at each other's DE of choice. But it's all in good fun, and we all understand that in the FOSS community, people use the desktop that suites their needs best, and no amount of derision is going to change a person's mind.

I also find it interesting to look at the comment statistics in your OS News profile as well as superstoned's. His profile shows that the vast majority of his comments are voted up and for every 5 votes he casts, 4 of them are positive. Your profile shows, on the other hand, that you vote lots of comments down, and your comments are voted down often. From my point of view, you appear to be the poison in this community. If you cannot be constructive here, I suggest you find a community in which you can be.

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