Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Jun 2008 08:12 UTC, submitted by stonyandcher
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Recently we've seen the releases of both Ubuntu 8.04 'Hardy Heron' as well as Fedora 9 'Sulphur', to mostly positive reviews. PCWorld Australia decided to pitch these two popular Linux distributions against one another.
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Good Call
by SoloDeveloper on Tue 3rd Jun 2008 10:05 UTC
SoloDeveloper
Member since:
2008-03-16

I have to agree with the over all end result, if your familiar with Linux, then use Fedora. If your not to great with it, or your just learning about it, get Ubuntu.

I mean, after all, Fedora is biased off of RedHat, the Great-Great-Great Grandpa of almost all of the mainstream Linux distros.

I have swapped on and off between those two distros so much i have a spindle of burned CD's PER distro, and i have no qualms about it.

Off to Grab Fedora 9 now!

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RE: Good Call
by danieldk on Tue 3rd Jun 2008 10:31 in reply to "Good Call"
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

I have to agree with the over all end result, if your familiar with Linux, then use Fedora. If your not to great with it, or your just learning about it, get Ubuntu.


I don't agree. There are many other factors that play a role. If you are familiar with GNU/Linux, and want a distribution with long term support, Ubuntu 8.04 (or RHEL, or CentOS) is a far better choice, because it is supported for a far longer time than any Fedora installment.

Not all Linux/UNIX experts want to ride the cutting-edge wave. If you need to get your work done, it's often far more comfortable to have a stable (in terms of support times and package changes) environment.

I mean, after all, Fedora is biased off of RedHat, the Great-Great-Great Grandpa of almost all of the mainstream Linux distros.


Which is, of course, nonsense. Debian is not based on any other distribution. Ubuntu is based on Debian. SUSE was based on Slackware and Jurix. Of the non-Red Hat mainstream distros, Mandriva is the only distro I can think of that was originally based on Red Hat.

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RE: Good Call
by noamsml on Tue 3rd Jun 2008 11:11 in reply to "Good Call"
noamsml Member since:
2005-07-09

Um, no.

First of all, Fedora is hardly the best distro for experienced users. Such a distro would be Arch or Debian. However, beyond that, Ubuntu has some clear advantages from fedora, starting from the fact that apt is (from my experience) vastly superior to yum, continuing with the much bigger support base and the larger amount of packages in the official repositories, and finishing up with the fact that Fedora's "newer technologies" tend to be on the unstable side.

In addition, you claim RH is the "granddady of all modern mainstream Linux distributions". This is patently false. Ubuntu, Knoppix, (insert countless LiveCDs here), MEPIS and others are all Debian-based. In addition, there's Arch, Slackware and Gentoo, which all use their package management own system.

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RE[2]: Good Call
by Bitterman on Tue 3rd Jun 2008 12:35 in reply to "RE: Good Call"
Bitterman Member since:
2005-07-06

Um, no.

First of all, Fedora is hardly the best distro for experienced users. Such a distro would be Arch or Debian.


I think he meant best distro for experienced users between Fedora/Ubuntu


However, beyond that, Ubuntu has some clear advantages from fedora, starting from the fact that apt is (from my experience) vastly superior to yum,

Could you elaborate? Cause apt offers nothing significant over yum the only difference im aware of is actually on the other side in that yum can handle different architectures.
Maybe yum is slow?
[root@turtle ~]# time yum -y update
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00
livna | 2.1 kB 00:00
updates | 2.3 kB 00:00
Setting up Update Process
No Packages marked for Update

real 0m6.637s
user 0m3.845s
sys 0m0.319s

Is 6 seconds really a problem for you? And im not even using fastmirror package or cache.


continuing with the much bigger support base and the larger amount of packages in the official repositories, and finishing up with the fact that Fedora's "newer technologies" tend to be on the unstable side.

new technologies are unstable for both of them reguardless. look at network manager or pulse audio I heard gripes from many Ubuntu users about the stability even though Fedora tested it first.

I just dont see big differences between these distros as far as software.

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RE[2]: Good Call
by apoclypse on Tue 3rd Jun 2008 12:54 in reply to "RE: Good Call"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Um, no.

First of all, Fedora is hardly the best distro for experienced users. Such a distro would be Arch or Debian. However, beyond that, Ubuntu has some clear advantages from fedora, starting from the fact that apt is (from my experience) vastly superior to yum, continuing with the much bigger support base and the larger amount of packages in the official repositories, and finishing up with the fact that Fedora's "newer technologies" tend to be on the unstable side.

In addition, you claim RH is the "granddady of all modern mainstream Linux distributions". This is patently false. Ubuntu, Knoppix, (insert countless LiveCDs here), MEPIS and others are all Debian-based. In addition, there's Arch, Slackware and Gentoo, which all use their package management own system.


While we all know that RedHat isn't the "granddaddy " of them all in-terms of heritage, we all must admit that the vast majority of things that we take for granted now in Linux has come from the RedHat camp. At leats that is what I think he meant. It would be nice if someone would do the same thing to for fedora that Ubuntu has, namely take the latest release of Fedora, chisel at it until its stable enough and more user friendly then release. If Ubuntu can do it with Debian there is no reason why someone can't do the same with Fedora. That is all Fedora really needs stabilization and attention to detail. That is the only real thing that Ubuntu offers (I'm an Ubuntu user and will probably never budge, but I want all distros to succeed) but its very important and I think its the reason why Ubuntu is where its at today.

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RE: Good Call
by supergear on Wed 4th Jun 2008 03:22 in reply to "Good Call"
supergear Member since:
2007-07-06


I mean, after all, Fedora is biased off of RedHat, the Great-Great-Great Grandpa of almost all of the mainstream Linux distros.


I would have to say Slackware would be the Great-Great-Great Grandpa of all linux distros ;P

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