Linked by Robert Escue on Wed 4th Jun 2008 05:06 UTC
Oracle and SUN Let's take a closer look at OpenSolaris, particularly its use of ZFS, network problems that people have reported, the use of bash, and differences between OpenSolaris and Solaris and Solaris Express. Note: This is the latest article in our OSNews Article Contest.
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RE: segedunum
by segedunum on Wed 4th Jun 2008 16:00 UTC in reply to "segedunum"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

You can not help to spew out gall on Solaris, you can not control yourself? Obviously, Solaris must have hurt you deep sometime.

Wow....... An entire post about me because I don't see where Solaris is heading, don't see how Sun will make OpenSolaris financially viable, don't see how it will attract wider open source developers and don't see how an article painting over the problems a few reviewers had is going to solve anything?

I wonder, what happened? Tell me. Solaris made you loose your first job? You ran a big site using Solaris, and the site crashed making you a laughing stock? Something must have happened.

No, but now you mention it, a few years ago I did see the look on a Sun engineer's face, who came in on not an inexpensive rate, when he saw the excruciatingly expensive UltraSparc IV running Solaris get totally creamed away by a factor of 4 (pystones) by a very dusty 1.4GHz desktop Athlon machine when running a Python and Zope site - after Python had been recompiled in Forte by him :-). Silence.......

[The GNU portion of Solaris's /usr/sfw/bin directory is still pretty spartan to this day.]

My employer wasn't amused either, especially after my standard response (and that of the Python developers) to our Solaris enthusiast was to just use Linux and x86 if you were using open source software. The Sun engineer babbled something about GCC not being production ready, SPARC being more solid and production ready than x86 and Linux being a poor Unix clone, or some line like that. He was never seen again.

I suppose I just find it a bit sad that that attitude hasn't changed, nor has Sun really changed anything around Solaris as a response, many years after that experience and three years after OpenSolaris's inception. After all that teeth pulling, I just find it daft when Sun says "It's just like Linux and open source!" when it isn't, and when it gets reviewed someone writes a response that says "Actually, you're wrong, I edited these files to get it working and you should have reviewed this cool new thing instead".

This focus on Solaris is not normal, nor healthy. Solaris is not the root of all evil. I dont get it?

Reverse psychology mate ;-). This post definitely isn't normal, nor has it been implied that Solaris is 'evil' anywhere. What's been written is what's been written, nothing more. The Sun engineer believed I had something personal against him and Solaris as well for some reason. Must be something in the water ;-).

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RE[2]: segedunum
by Arun on Wed 4th Jun 2008 16:18 in reply to "RE: segedunum"
Arun Member since:
2005-07-07


No, but now you mention it, a few years ago I did see the look on a Sun engineer's face, who came in on not an inexpensive rate, when he saw the excruciatingly expensive UltraSparc IV running Solaris get totally creamed away by a factor of 4 (pystones) by a very dusty 1.4GHz desktop Athlon machine when running a Python and Zope site - after Python had been recompiled in Forte by him :-). Silence.......


Erm Sun sells the latest and greatest AMD and Intel processor based systems with linux, windows or Solaris that are far better engineered than the competitors.

Talk about stupid trolls.

Bashing Sun for only selling SPARC is so stupid its not even funny.

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RE[2]: segedunum
by Robert Escue on Wed 4th Jun 2008 16:27 in reply to "RE: segedunum"
Robert Escue Member since:
2005-07-08

Why does this sound similar to the tale I was told by a RedHat sales droid about an application that ran poorly on a SunFire 6800, but magically ran better on 10 dual CPU x86 boxes running RHEL?

The devil is in the details, so how about providing some details instead of just telling us a story. There had to be a reason for the poor performance and I would hope that you were running some sort of monitoring tools to capture some useful information.

I just don't buy "the performance sucked until I ran it on this" nonsense.

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RE[2]: segedunum
by snozzberry on Wed 4th Jun 2008 23:06 in reply to "RE: segedunum"
snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

Zope site

facepalm

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