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SUN Microsystems Let's take a closer look at OpenSolaris, particularly its use of ZFS, network problems that people have reported, the use of bash, and differences between OpenSolaris and Solaris and Solaris Express. Note: This is the latest article in our OSNews Article Contest.
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RE[2]: What's missing
by jjgorsky on Fri 6th Jun 2008 23:56 UTC in reply to "RE: What's missing"
jjgorsky
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2008-06-05

"I also can't locate Fibre Channel drivers for Emulex HBA I have in workstation. With Solaris "proper" it just worked all the time.


It likely isn't redistributable. Sun was unable to secure agreements for many vendors that allow free, unlimited, redistribution of certain components.
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So what happens to users of that hardware when OpenSolaris gets released as Solaris 11? Will users that followed the HCL, as Mr. Escue suggested, be left out in the cold or will binary drivers get bundled into Solaris 11?

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RE[3]: What's missing
by Robert Escue on Sat 7th Jun 2008 02:44 in reply to "RE[2]: What's missing"
Robert Escue Member since:
2005-07-08

More than likely OpenSolaris will not get FC drivers simply because it is targeted at desktop as opposed to Enterprise users. Solaris 11 will most definitely have them, along with SCSI and iSCSI support. But this is all speculation at this point because Sun could change direction tomorrow.

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RE[4]: What's missing
by mickrussom on Sat 7th Jun 2008 16:35 in reply to "RE[3]: What's missing"
mickrussom Member since:
2006-05-13

If Open Solaris is targeted at the desktop, and not developers like SXDE and enterprise servers like every other version of Solaris, let me predict the outcome:

FAIL.

You seriously can't think that between Ubuntu, Blue Curve/RHEL, Gentoo, Windows and OS X, this thing has even a remote shot in hell?

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RE[4]: What's missing
by mickrussom on Sat 7th Jun 2008 16:57 in reply to "RE[3]: What's missing"
mickrussom Member since:
2006-05-13

Note all 3 work on (FC, SCSI, iSCSI) on RHEL.

This divided strategy is a proven failure by an OS with a lot more users: Fedora/CENTOS/RHEL.

Redhat tried to divide RHEL into WS/Server/etc.

Nearly everyone uses CENTOS, since it does not divide.

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RE[3]: What's missing
by binarycrusader on Sat 7th Jun 2008 23:17 in reply to "RE[2]: What's missing"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

"[q]I also can't locate Fibre Channel drivers for Emulex HBA I have in workstation. With Solaris "proper" it just worked all the time.


It likely isn't redistributable. Sun was unable to secure agreements for many vendors that allow free, unlimited, redistribution of certain components.
"

So what happens to users of that hardware when OpenSolaris gets released as Solaris 11? Will users that followed the HCL, as Mr. Escue suggested, be left out in the cold or will binary drivers get bundled into Solaris 11? [/q]

Sun will be providing alternate network repositories that allow access to non-redistributable resources.

In addition, the long-term support version of OpenSolaris will likely have additional options that are not currently available.

However, only Sun knows what they will do for certain.

I would encourage you to post about this issue on opensolaris-discuss.

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RE[4]: What's missing
by mickrussom on Sun 8th Jun 2008 03:45 in reply to "RE[3]: What's missing"
mickrussom Member since:
2006-05-13

Trust me. Just go look up the pathetic ridiculous fighting over megaraid_sas and mfi.

They have TWO choices, plus they could simply rip the stuff right out of OpenBSD, NetBSD or FreeBSD, but someone actually did the heavy lifting and ported it for them. (Some random dude took mfi from openbsd and ported it lickety split).

Yet it took until svn_89 or something to get in. This has been going on for at least 18 more like 24 months. Check the Sun forums for a huge amounting of whining over PERC support.

Now try and get javaws for the Linux 64 JDK/JRE or the browser plugin for Linux 64. Its been 3 years (Since 1.5.0 FCS) since people started whining about that.

Sun has a lot of bureaucrats really choking the place. Lawyers and idiot PMs. Generally the engineering is top notch, but the branding and direction goes from rudderless to so so.

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RE[4]: What's missing
by jjgorsky on Sun 8th Jun 2008 07:51 in reply to "RE[3]: What's missing"
jjgorsky Member since:
2008-06-05

However, only Sun knows what they will do for certain.


This is the key issue I see with Sun nowadays.

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