Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jun 2008 21:03 UTC
Microsoft As Bill Gates promised earlier this week during his last public speech as chairman of Microsoft at TechEd 2008, the company has released the second beta of Silverlight 2, Microsoft's Flash competitor. Silverlight 2 beta 2 comes as a 4.66MB download, but as Ars Technica already noted, the Silverlight homepage has not yet been changed to reflect the new release, but there is a changelog that details many of the changes in this release. The Mac OS X version has not yet been released.
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RE[2]: No thanks Microsoft
by kaiwai on Sat 7th Jun 2008 03:43 UTC in reply to "RE: No thanks Microsoft"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

We need competition. Adobe Flash sucks, it's uberbuggy, especially on Linux. Maybe Moonlight will be better, maybe Adobe will get it's act together to increase performance and incease stability. Users are winners here unless Microsoft installs Silverlight by default and I doubt they would go so far because they'd be sued out of billions of dollars in such case IMHO. I don't care if it's free/open, give me something that works.


hmm, that was rather confusing. I don't know why someone marked down your post given that it is a well known issue with Flash - the fact that it is a royal memory sucking plugin which can turn any speedy browser into treacle.

On the matter of crappiness, I couldn't get over the reply by an Adobe manager on his blog about Flash for *NIX; "Oh, we're improving it, we are still learning lot about the platform" - YOU'RE LEARNING ON THE JOB?! that was my reaction; end users are the guinea pigs for this companies inability to find decent *NIX programmers?

At this momment, Flash is at the same situation which Netscape 4.x was at; decrapit, unstable, bloated, unreliable, and in dire need of some competition (for those clueless, it was Netscape who made the first shot on extending standards).

Microsoft has a new direction - ignore the sweaty balled man running the company; he is nothing more than front man to the real decisions that are made in the company. They may speak about the 'operating system' being important, but the reality, the more important issues they're facing are outside of that - hence the reason why there is no animosty towards mono, moonlight and so forth.

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RE[3]: No thanks Microsoft
by dagw on Sat 7th Jun 2008 09:51 in reply to "RE[2]: No thanks Microsoft"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

On the matter of crappiness, I couldn't get over the reply by an Adobe manager on his blog about Flash for *NIX; "Oh, we're improving it, we are still learning lot about the platform" - YOU'RE LEARNING ON THE JOB?! that was my reaction; end users are the guinea pigs for this companies inability to find decent *NIX programmers?

To be fair *NIX is a faster moving and more diverse target to a far greater extent than both windows and Mac. Also the number of programmers available with deep multi platform *nix experience in the type of programming required for flash are probably very very few.

At the end of the day most non-trivial programming tasks are unique enough that learning on the job is the only way to get any significant experience with the hard details of that particular project.

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RE[3]: No thanks Microsoft
by ride01 on Sat 7th Jun 2008 11:18 in reply to "RE[2]: No thanks Microsoft"
ride01 Member since:
2005-09-23

Flash for *NIX; "Oh, we're improving it, we are still learning lot about the platform" - YOU'RE LEARNING ON THE JOB?! that was my reaction; end users are the guinea pigs for this companies inability to find decent *NIX programmers?


Linux desktop users represent a tiny percentage of the market. I'm surprised there is a player for it at all.

Edited 2008-06-07 11:19 UTC

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RE[4]: No thanks Microsoft
by Xaero_Vincent on Sat 7th Jun 2008 11:28 in reply to "RE[3]: No thanks Microsoft"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

Linux desktop has nothing to do with it.

Flash is now almost a requirement for a full-fledged Internet experience. It hardly matters what type of user you are.

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RE[3]: No thanks Microsoft
by wanker90210 on Sat 7th Jun 2008 20:59 in reply to "RE[2]: No thanks Microsoft"
wanker90210 Member since:
2007-10-26

I would agree with the Netscape 4 comparison if it was flash 8 you were talking about. In Flash 9 they have cleaned up the data model quite a lot and AS3 is a big step forward. AS3 still isn't a beautiful language but it's getting there. It's not painful to code in anymore and executes in a decent speed.

Flash 10 has h/w support for rendering and 3d. This will (probably/hopefully) make flash a viable VM for other things than annoying ad-banners.

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