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This is getting REALLY off topic, but it was such a stunning post I couldn't help but comment
Let me get this straight. Your definition of "Evil" is being "derogatory about open source software"? That really blows my mind...
http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
They paid for top quality HD codecs (WAY beyond theora, which is the best out there in the oss world), said they wouldn't sue over use of technology they own, and helped out with development.
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/
The big move inside the company to play well with its competitors, which we have already started seeing the results of
http://port25.technet.com/
An effort to help integrate linux into MS based environments
http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/community.mspx
A list of open source businesses that Microsoft has partnered with (MSCP means you get pretty much all microsoft software for free or next to nothing)
http://www.codeplex.com/
Microsofts hosted source code/community site for open source projects
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx
Microsofts promise not to sue over use of a whole bunch of protocols and formats they own patents on
The big move inside the company to play well with its competitors, which we have already started seeing the results of...
Play well with competitors, huh? Either Microsoft buys them, or smashes them with dirty tricks. Who do you think financed the SCO lawsuits? Who do you think lobbied the US congress to make America's odious software patent laws even more odious? Or who has been pouring millions into lobbyists pockets to get the European Commission to saddle Europe with software patents (so far, unsuccessfully). And who forces computer manufacturers to buy a Windows license for every computer they sell, even if the customer doesn't want Windows pre-installed? Who paid shills to post all sorts of messages to BBSs saying how lousy OS/2 was (and continues doing this to Linux)? And (though Microsoft denies it) there was that whole "NSA Key" thing, plus all the DRM stuff in Vista.
Microsoft has done its part to screw up the US's legal system, and keeps trying to screw up the legal systems of other countries. And smash competition any way they can. And violate your privacy. Bill Gates should be put in prison for some of the things he's done.
Since we're talking about ReiserFS, which is open source, and this idiot is telling us that since he thinks that everybody thinks that Microsoft is evil we should stop using ReiserFS as well...... Does that blow your mind enough?
Ahhhhhhhh, Moonlight. If Silverlight ever gets to a critical mess, we'll come back and see how compatible Moonlight is then, OK? This is a technology where Microsoft is behind. I did mention track record, right?
Where is the source code, what is the license and who controls said codecs? A promise not to sue, is just that. A promise, and a promise is not legally binding. Additionally, Moonlight has no codecs to speak of, and can only use ffmpeg currently.
No evidence of that happening. Contributions to Samba? Contributions to Open Office? You know, actual code?
I think you might want to take a look around and see if there is actually anything useful on there ;-).
Vice versa? Errrrr, no.
Show me the code ;-). I have yet to see anything of note come out of that for anyone apart from soundbites about how Microsoft is now so open source friendly.
Yes. Open source projects on their platforms with not a single line of code from their platforms in sight.
That makes me feel so much better. The OSP is a promise and not a license, and legally speaking means zilch. It also only applies to you if you take a piece of technology as-is, so if you embed it into another project that does something different, hmmmmm. That's not covered.
It's all smoke and mirrors, or as former Microsoft employee Joel Spolsky says, fire and motion ;-).






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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Everybody hates Microsoft, there's some conspiracy to hate Microsoft, everybody does everything because they hate Microsoft etc. etc. This complex does the rounds on a lot of MSDN blogs I've seen, and it's just plain sad. Whatever the whys and wherefores of Hans Reiser, the code lives on regardless. Microsoft has a track record of being derogatory about open source software at every turn, so no, many people aren't just going to start liking Microsoft until they throw them a serious bone.
Either deal with that, or get yourself a wigwam outside of Redmond and go and live there.
Edited 2008-06-13 14:31 UTC