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The big move inside the company to play well with its competitors, which we have already started seeing the results of...
Play well with competitors, huh? Either Microsoft buys them, or smashes them with dirty tricks. Who do you think financed the SCO lawsuits? Who do you think lobbied the US congress to make America's odious software patent laws even more odious? Or who has been pouring millions into lobbyists pockets to get the European Commission to saddle Europe with software patents (so far, unsuccessfully). And who forces computer manufacturers to buy a Windows license for every computer they sell, even if the customer doesn't want Windows pre-installed? Who paid shills to post all sorts of messages to BBSs saying how lousy OS/2 was (and continues doing this to Linux)? And (though Microsoft denies it) there was that whole "NSA Key" thing, plus all the DRM stuff in Vista.
Microsoft has done its part to screw up the US's legal system, and keeps trying to screw up the legal systems of other countries. And smash competition any way they can. And violate your privacy. Bill Gates should be put in prison for some of the things he's done.
A whole bunch of people did. Microsoft paid sco money to liscence UNIX to make their UNIX tools
Link? Microsoft is constantly calling for patent reform, they are the biggest targets and get sued more then anyone over software patents.
Again, where are you getting this information?
Nobody. If you bring up what they did to be, I'm just going to say the same thing about pre and post anti-trust suit microsoft
Microsoft from 30 years ago is a very different from microsoft now. That is my whole point.
Dude, you are off your rocker
a) What does either have to do with being "derrogatory towards open source
b) What does allowing for playing HD-DVDs have to do with anything?
How?
Look at the ten or so links I just posted, most of those have to do with working with competition. Again, MS now is not the same as MS 20-30 years ago.
[/q]Bill Gates should be put in prison for some of the things he's done. [/q]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_Melinda_Gates_Foundation)
Indeed, a shifty character if I ever saw one...
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Since we're talking about ReiserFS, which is open source, and this idiot is telling us that since he thinks that everybody thinks that Microsoft is evil we should stop using ReiserFS as well...... Does that blow your mind enough?
Ahhhhhhhh, Moonlight. If Silverlight ever gets to a critical mess, we'll come back and see how compatible Moonlight is then, OK? This is a technology where Microsoft is behind. I did mention track record, right?
Where is the source code, what is the license and who controls said codecs? A promise not to sue, is just that. A promise, and a promise is not legally binding. Additionally, Moonlight has no codecs to speak of, and can only use ffmpeg currently.
No evidence of that happening. Contributions to Samba? Contributions to Open Office? You know, actual code?
I think you might want to take a look around and see if there is actually anything useful on there ;-).
Vice versa? Errrrr, no.
Show me the code ;-). I have yet to see anything of note come out of that for anyone apart from soundbites about how Microsoft is now so open source friendly.
Yes. Open source projects on their platforms with not a single line of code from their platforms in sight.
That makes me feel so much better. The OSP is a promise and not a license, and legally speaking means zilch. It also only applies to you if you take a piece of technology as-is, so if you embed it into another project that does something different, hmmmmm. That's not covered.
It's all smoke and mirrors, or as former Microsoft employee Joel Spolsky says, fire and motion ;-).
Hmmm. Congratulations. You've just violated the terms of service for OSNews.
Choke on your double-standard.
Moonlight IS part of that track record, but apparently, NOTHING that MS could do would overcome your double-standard.
Since when is contributing codec source code necessary to avoid being called "evil"? There are lots of ways to contribute to open source without contributing source code. FSF lawyer Eben Moglen doesn't contribute source code, but his legal contributions make it possible for open source to thrive. Microsoft contributes codecs to Linux. It makes Linux a more vibrant platform for users. But your narrow view of the universe is too twisted to recognize "contribution" as anything other than source code. Well, you're wrong.
Provide a link describing somebody that Microsoft has sued for patent infringement. I'd really like to read about it.
So what. When was the last time that the Samba developers contributed to Open Office? Or vice-versa? Why is it necessary for devs to contribute to your pet projects in order to avoid being called "evil"? Are all developers who don't contribute to Samba and Open Office "evil"? If not, why? You're twisting yourself into knots.
How about the source code for the .NET Framework?
Windows Services for Unix.
Apparently, you're not looking at all.
Show me ANYBODY that Microsoft has sued for patent infringement.
Red herring. OSP code is licensed to you with fairly generous terms, but it doesn't let you re-license the same source code separately; nor do you really NEED to do that at all. You're just throwing any crap you can think of against the wall, and hoping that some of it will stick.







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This is getting REALLY off topic, but it was such a stunning post I couldn't help but comment
Let me get this straight. Your definition of "Evil" is being "derogatory about open source software"? That really blows my mind...
http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
They paid for top quality HD codecs (WAY beyond theora, which is the best out there in the oss world), said they wouldn't sue over use of technology they own, and helped out with development.
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/
The big move inside the company to play well with its competitors, which we have already started seeing the results of
http://port25.technet.com/
An effort to help integrate linux into MS based environments
http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/community.mspx
A list of open source businesses that Microsoft has partnered with (MSCP means you get pretty much all microsoft software for free or next to nothing)
http://www.codeplex.com/
Microsofts hosted source code/community site for open source projects
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx
Microsofts promise not to sue over use of a whole bunch of protocols and formats they own patents on