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RE[4]: Silly
by google_ninja on Fri 13th Jun 2008 15:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Silly"
google_ninja
Member since:
2006-02-05

This is getting REALLY off topic, but it was such a stunning post I couldn't help but comment

Microsoft has a track record of being derogatory about open source software at every turn


Let me get this straight. Your definition of "Evil" is being "derogatory about open source software"? That really blows my mind...

many people aren't just going to start liking Microsoft until they throw them a serious bone


http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight

They paid for top quality HD codecs (WAY beyond theora, which is the best out there in the oss world), said they wouldn't sue over use of technology they own, and helped out with development.

http://www.microsoft.com/interop/

The big move inside the company to play well with its competitors, which we have already started seeing the results of

http://port25.technet.com/

An effort to help integrate linux into MS based environments

http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/community.mspx

A list of open source businesses that Microsoft has partnered with (MSCP means you get pretty much all microsoft software for free or next to nothing)

http://www.codeplex.com/

Microsofts hosted source code/community site for open source projects

http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx

Microsofts promise not to sue over use of a whole bunch of protocols and formats they own patents on

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RE[5]: Silly
by ozonehole on Fri 13th Jun 2008 15:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Silly"
ozonehole Member since:
2006-01-07

The big move inside the company to play well with its competitors, which we have already started seeing the results of...

Play well with competitors, huh? Either Microsoft buys them, or smashes them with dirty tricks. Who do you think financed the SCO lawsuits? Who do you think lobbied the US congress to make America's odious software patent laws even more odious? Or who has been pouring millions into lobbyists pockets to get the European Commission to saddle Europe with software patents (so far, unsuccessfully). And who forces computer manufacturers to buy a Windows license for every computer they sell, even if the customer doesn't want Windows pre-installed? Who paid shills to post all sorts of messages to BBSs saying how lousy OS/2 was (and continues doing this to Linux)? And (though Microsoft denies it) there was that whole "NSA Key" thing, plus all the DRM stuff in Vista.

Microsoft has done its part to screw up the US's legal system, and keeps trying to screw up the legal systems of other countries. And smash competition any way they can. And violate your privacy. Bill Gates should be put in prison for some of the things he's done.

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RE[6]: Silly
by google_ninja on Fri 13th Jun 2008 16:02 in reply to "RE[5]: Silly"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Who do you think financed the SCO lawsuits?


A whole bunch of people did. Microsoft paid sco money to liscence UNIX to make their UNIX tools

Who do you think lobbied the US congress to make America's odious software patent laws even more odious?


Link? Microsoft is constantly calling for patent reform, they are the biggest targets and get sued more then anyone over software patents.

Or who has been pouring millions into lobbyists pockets to get the European Commission to saddle Europe with software patents (so far, unsuccessfully)


Again, where are you getting this information?

And who forces computer manufacturers to buy a Windows license for every computer they sell, even if the customer doesn't want Windows pre-installed?


Nobody. If you bring up what they did to be, I'm just going to say the same thing about pre and post anti-trust suit microsoft

Who paid shills to post all sorts of messages to BBSs saying how lousy OS/2 was (and continues doing this to Linux)?


Microsoft from 30 years ago is a very different from microsoft now. That is my whole point.

(and continues doing this to Linux)


Dude, you are off your rocker

And (though Microsoft denies it) there was that whole "NSA Key" thing, plus all the DRM stuff in Vista.


a) What does either have to do with being "derrogatory towards open source

b) What does allowing for playing HD-DVDs have to do with anything?

Microsoft has done its part to screw up the US's legal system, and keeps trying to screw up the legal systems of other countries.


How?

And smash competition any way they can.


Look at the ten or so links I just posted, most of those have to do with working with competition. Again, MS now is not the same as MS 20-30 years ago.

[/q]Bill Gates should be put in prison for some of the things he's done. [/q]

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (B&MGF) is the largest transparently operated[2] charitable foundation in the world, founded by Bill and Melinda Gates in 2000 and doubled in size by Warren Buffett in 2006. The primary aims of the foundation are, globally, to enhance healthcare and reduce extreme poverty, and, in the United States, to expand educational opportunities and access to information technology. The foundation, based in Seattle, Washington, is controlled by its three trustees: Bill Gates, Melinda Gates, and Warren Buffett. Other principal officers include Co-Chair William H. Gates, Sr. and Chief Executive Officer Patty Stonesifer. It has an endowment of US$38.7 billion as of December 31, 2007.[1]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_Melinda_Gates_Foundation)

Indeed, a shifty character if I ever saw one...

Edited 2008-06-13 16:18 UTC

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RE[5]: Silly
by segedunum on Fri 13th Jun 2008 23:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Silly"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Let me get this straight. Your definition of "Evil" is being "derogatory about open source software"? That really blows my mind...

Since we're talking about ReiserFS, which is open source, and this idiot is telling us that since he thinks that everybody thinks that Microsoft is evil we should stop using ReiserFS as well...... Does that blow your mind enough?


Ahhhhhhhh, Moonlight. If Silverlight ever gets to a critical mess, we'll come back and see how compatible Moonlight is then, OK? This is a technology where Microsoft is behind. I did mention track record, right?

They paid for top quality HD codecs (WAY beyond theora, which is the best out there in the oss world), said they wouldn't sue over use of technology they own, and helped out with development.

Where is the source code, what is the license and who controls said codecs? A promise not to sue, is just that. A promise, and a promise is not legally binding. Additionally, Moonlight has no codecs to speak of, and can only use ffmpeg currently.

The big move inside the company to play well with its competitors, which we have already started seeing the results of

No evidence of that happening. Contributions to Samba? Contributions to Open Office? You know, actual code?


I think you might want to take a look around and see if there is actually anything useful on there ;-).

An effort to help integrate linux into MS based environments

Vice versa? Errrrr, no.

A list of open source businesses that Microsoft has partnered with.....

Show me the code ;-). I have yet to see anything of note come out of that for anyone apart from soundbites about how Microsoft is now so open source friendly.

Microsofts hosted source code/community site for open source projects

Yes. Open source projects on their platforms with not a single line of code from their platforms in sight.

Microsofts promise not to sue over use of a whole bunch of protocols and formats they own patents on

That makes me feel so much better. The OSP is a promise and not a license, and legally speaking means zilch. It also only applies to you if you take a piece of technology as-is, so if you embed it into another project that does something different, hmmmmm. That's not covered.

It's all smoke and mirrors, or as former Microsoft employee Joel Spolsky says, fire and motion ;-).

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RE[6]: Silly
by tomcat on Sat 14th Jun 2008 01:54 in reply to "RE[5]: Silly"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Since we're talking about ReiserFS, which is open source, and this idiot is telling us ...


Hmmm. Congratulations. You've just violated the terms of service for OSNews.

... that since he thinks that everybody thinks that Microsoft is evil we should stop using ReiserFS as well...... Does that blow your mind enough?


Choke on your double-standard.

Ahhhhhhhh, Moonlight. If Silverlight ever gets to a critical mess, we'll come back and see how compatible Moonlight is then, OK? This is a technology where Microsoft is behind. I did mention track record, right?


Moonlight IS part of that track record, but apparently, NOTHING that MS could do would overcome your double-standard.

Where is the source code, what is the license and who controls said codecs?


Since when is contributing codec source code necessary to avoid being called "evil"? There are lots of ways to contribute to open source without contributing source code. FSF lawyer Eben Moglen doesn't contribute source code, but his legal contributions make it possible for open source to thrive. Microsoft contributes codecs to Linux. It makes Linux a more vibrant platform for users. But your narrow view of the universe is too twisted to recognize "contribution" as anything other than source code. Well, you're wrong.

A promise not to sue, is just that. A promise, and a promise is not legally binding. Additionally, Moonlight has no codecs to speak of, and can only use ffmpeg currently.


Provide a link describing somebody that Microsoft has sued for patent infringement. I'd really like to read about it.

No evidence of that happening. Contributions to Samba? Contributions to Open Office? You know, actual code?


So what. When was the last time that the Samba developers contributed to Open Office? Or vice-versa? Why is it necessary for devs to contribute to your pet projects in order to avoid being called "evil"? Are all developers who don't contribute to Samba and Open Office "evil"? If not, why? You're twisting yourself into knots.

I think you might want to take a look around and see if there is actually anything useful on there ;-).


How about the source code for the .NET Framework?

Vice versa? Errrrr, no.


Windows Services for Unix.

Show me the code ;-). I have yet to see anything of note come out of that for anyone apart from soundbites about how Microsoft is now so open source friendly.


Apparently, you're not looking at all.

That makes me feel so much better. The OSP is a promise and not a license, and legally speaking means zilch.


Show me ANYBODY that Microsoft has sued for patent infringement.

It also only applies to you if you take a piece of technology as-is, so if you embed it into another project that does something different, hmmmmm. That's not covered.


Red herring. OSP code is licensed to you with fairly generous terms, but it doesn't let you re-license the same source code separately; nor do you really NEED to do that at all. You're just throwing any crap you can think of against the wall, and hoping that some of it will stick.

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RE[5]: Silly
by de_wizze on Sun 15th Jun 2008 17:40 in reply to "RE[4]: Silly"
de_wizze Member since:
2005-10-31

A promise is comfort to a fool right?

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