Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jun 2008 07:09 UTC
KDE Probably the most often misunderstood element of KDE4 is Plasma, the extensive widget engine that replaces the normal desktop and the Kicker panel from KDE 3.x. The entire KDE4 desktop is built up out of Plasmoids (yet another term for desk accessory), including the panel and the desktop itself - and it is the latter that has been causing quite some confusion. Where are my desktop icons? Update: Aaron Seigo has published a screencast showing how the FolderView Plasmoid behaves as a normal desktop, and how to make it so.
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RE[4]: great
by lemur2 on Mon 16th Jun 2008 11:49 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: great"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Writing off potential "customers" whom are interested in your project and have questions, concerns and/or suggestions as "poisonous people" is not a good strategy in my book. On the whole 5 vocal critics will give you far more useful (if perhaps a bit loud) feedback than 50 fawning fanboys


Where were these critics when concerns and/or suggestions for the design of KDE 4 were actively being sought?

http://www.kde.org/getinvolved/

http://quality.kde.org/

http://quality.kde.org/develop/modules/

https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability

http://developer.kde.org/documentation/design/ui/index.html

http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/basics/i...

http://quality.kde.org/develop/howto/howtopromo.php

http://www.kde.org/support/

Edited 2008-06-16 11:56 UTC

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RE[5]: great
by MamiyaOtaru on Mon 16th Jun 2008 18:26 in reply to "RE[4]: great"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

"Where were these critics when concerns and/or suggestions for the design of KDE 4 were actively being sought?"

In my case I was complaining about stuff I didn't like the sound of, like a new filebrowser that at the time didn't have a tree view and still has a broken one, or wondering what was wrong with symlinks to bring files from disparate areas of the filesystem into the desktop.

I'm not the only one. People who criticized back then were told "how can you criticize when it isn't even out yet? Wait and see!" Then it comes out and people complain and you're saying "where were you during the design stage?" wtf.

Sure it would have been more constructive to join committees and be active on mailing lists or submit code, but not everyone has time for that. As it works in OSS people who leave comments on news sites (/me raises hand) instead of the more official channels get less of a say in how things go, but that doesn't mean we can't be unhappy with how things turn out.

Do people overreact, and not give new ideas a fair chance? Sure. Does that make it harder for newer and better stuff to get through? Yeah. But is it really better if it's not what people expect or want? umm.. Is it better to give people the option of the old if it means they will never experience the new and potentially better? Or is it better to force a new desktop interface on them? umm..

Once I got to that point last year (not being able to answer those questions to my satisfaction) I decided to leave it and see how it plays out. So that's been less complaining from me, but at the same time I'm still not using KDE4. I guess change is just hard, for all involved and I feel for all involved.

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