Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jun 2008 07:09 UTC
KDE Probably the most often misunderstood element of KDE4 is Plasma, the extensive widget engine that replaces the normal desktop and the Kicker panel from KDE 3.x. The entire KDE4 desktop is built up out of Plasmoids (yet another term for desk accessory), including the panel and the desktop itself - and it is the latter that has been causing quite some confusion. Where are my desktop icons? Update: Aaron Seigo has published a screencast showing how the FolderView Plasmoid behaves as a normal desktop, and how to make it so.
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RE[4]: great
by kragil on Mon 16th Jun 2008 11:58 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: great"
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

Just read these comments and you will get what I mean:

http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/06/maybe-people-will-understand-pic...

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RE[5]: great
by lemur2 on Mon 16th Jun 2008 12:27 in reply to "RE[4]: great"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Just read these comments and you will get what I mean:

http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/06/maybe-people-will-understand-pic...


A lot of people initially complained, for example, that they couldn't put icons on the desktop like they were used to.

Taking this as just one example: the point is, however, that you can have a folderview plasmoid on the desktop viewing the ~/Desktop folder ... and it then becomes the exact functional equivalent of "icons on the desktop".

See the picture, in the top left corner, where the green long-grass picture is:
http://plasma.kde.org/media/folderview_containment.png

What is that if not "icons on the desktop"?

I think the first comment has it down pat:
"I bet there are a lot of people out there going "OHHHHHH now I get it. I guess I shouldn't have been such an ass."

A lot of the so-called criticism is actually like that ... the critics have actually got it wrong. If their criticism was correct and KDE 4.1 actually behaved like they believed it did, then their might be a point, but a lot of the criticism is actually factually incorrect or otherwise misguided.

There might be some valid criticism out there, coming from some genuine people, but it is getting lost in the vast noise of "pretend criticism" coming from people who apparently haven't even run the KDE 4 code.

It is like: "make up a criticism, it doesn't have to have anything to do with the actual program, voice it loudly ... then complain bitterly that your criticism isn't being acted upon and that the developers are rude".

It is an apparent pretty intense smear campaign being conducted here ... smear against the software ... and it is apparently having a desired effect of raising the temper of the KDE developers.

If you have a valid criticism and your valid criticism is being lost in the noise ... then this just adds to the success the noisemakers are having, doesn't it?

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RE[6]: great
by grat on Mon 16th Jun 2008 12:44 in reply to "RE[5]: great"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

While I understood what the screenshot you referenced was supposed to show... it's a terrible screenshot. A screenshot showing a simple desktop with folder view as a plasmoid, and another showing it as the containment for the desktop, would have been sufficient. Aaron's example, while no doubt easy to generate, is overly cluttered.

For now we'll ignore that I have yet to see any DIRECTIONS on making folder view a containment-- the plasma team assumes that we, the end users, are following the development so closely that a statement like "just make it a containment, and stop bothering us" is sufficient directions.

As for accusing people who have legitimate complaints about the direction KDE 4.x has taken of being "astroturfers", that's just insulting.

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RE[5]: great
by shapeshifter on Mon 16th Jun 2008 20:41 in reply to "RE[4]: great"
shapeshifter Member since:
2006-09-19

Just read these comments and you will get what I mean:

http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/06/maybe-people-will-understand-pic...


What I get from the comments is:

1. You're a brown nosed ass kisser

2. KDE 4 was released with even the most basic functionality not finished.
Like desktop icons that save their position on the desktop between sessions and context menus.

3. Seeing how much is missing and that it takes a while to iron out bugs after the missing features are added, it'll take quite a few releases to call it stable release.

4. And from the screen shots, it looks like a bad attempt of a 6 year old trying to copy Vista look.
There was nothing wrong with the silver-blue theming from KDE 3.5.x so why the sudden change to this black, Vista like crap.

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RE[6]: great
by SlackerJack on Mon 16th Jun 2008 22:20 in reply to "RE[5]: great"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

I understand people seeing it as a Vista look being black with widgets but what most people dont know is Nuno likes black.

Plasma's default theme in 4.1 is black panels which fade to the corners more solid, dont know about you but thats about as close as it gets to looking like Vista.

Edited 2008-06-16 22:22 UTC

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