Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jun 2008 07:09 UTC
KDE Probably the most often misunderstood element of KDE4 is Plasma, the extensive widget engine that replaces the normal desktop and the Kicker panel from KDE 3.x. The entire KDE4 desktop is built up out of Plasmoids (yet another term for desk accessory), including the panel and the desktop itself - and it is the latter that has been causing quite some confusion. Where are my desktop icons? Update: Aaron Seigo has published a screencast showing how the FolderView Plasmoid behaves as a normal desktop, and how to make it so.
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RE: what
by mtzmtulivu on Mon 16th Jun 2008 21:21 UTC in reply to "what"
mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

its obvious by your comment that you dont follow kde4 development ..KDE4 seeks to take the desktop`to the future but there are people who want to use their desktop the way they have been using it since last century ..this video shows people that they can use their desktop the old way if they want or the new, kde4 way if they want

the video, to the most part reassures people that they can use KDE4 with the desktop they used in windows last century if that is what they want ..or they can make a change and use KDE4 fully ..

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RE[2]: what
by Luminair on Mon 16th Jun 2008 23:08 in reply to "RE: what"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

I have no problem with doing things the same way as the most popular operating system of all time. It makes sense to copy what works.

What surprises me is that someone thought it necessary to explain three times (with video and pictures) the operation of a feature copied from the most common operating system of all time.

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RE[3]: what
by mtzmtulivu on Tue 17th Jun 2008 00:29 in reply to "RE[2]: what"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

I have no problem with doing things the same way as the most popular operating system of all time. It makes sense to copy what works. operating system of all time.


true, but if the cave men said the same thing "why move out of the caves if .." well, we wouldnt be where we are, would we? ..it makes sense to copy what works, trues(didnt "the most popular operating system of all time" do the same?) ...it also make sense to advance things forwards ..kde4 plasma takes the desktop to new heights while keeping the "old ways of doing things" to those who dont want to change ..

.. the current desktop has serious limitations ...KDE4 seeks to overcome some of these limitations ...this video talks about folderview, a plasmoid that gives a traditional desktop if run at full screen(to people like you who seem to want this) ..or like a regular plasmoid when run next to others on your desktop(the way kde4 is going)

..have you ever used kde4? ..you dont seem to know what you are talking about ...

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RE[3]: what
by Morty on Tue 17th Jun 2008 10:14 in reply to "RE[2]: what"
Morty Member since:
2005-07-06

What surprises me is that someone thought it necessary to explain three times (with video and pictures) the operation of a feature copied from the most common operating system of all time.


The reason for this is that some, among others the most vocal "critics", have been either unable to or not villing to understand the developers when they say "in addition to the new way to do the desktop, we also support the old legacy way of doing it".

Why people need to get it explained tree times is surprising to me, and for the developers too.

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RE[2]: what
by tyrione on Tue 17th Jun 2008 05:25 in reply to "RE: what"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

its obvious by your comment that you dont follow kde4 development ..KDE4 seeks to take the desktop`to the future but there are people who want to use their desktop the way they have been using it since last century ..this video shows people that they can use their desktop the old way if they want or the new, kde4 way if they want

the video, to the most part reassures people that they can use KDE4 with the desktop they used in windows last century if that is what they want ..or they can make a change and use KDE4 fully ..


Sorry but OS X 10.6 dealing with Multi-Core CPUs, GPUs in an agnostic approach to leverage what they should be doing while not blowing cycles on video games, all surrounded around straight-forward APIs for dozens if not hundreds of fields where such work has long been desired is far more ground breaking than Plasmoids.

Sorry, but making KDE 4.x to bring Linux to the Desktop where both Linux and OS X beat the crap out of Windows should be enough drive in itself.

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RE[3]: what
by TheMonoTone on Tue 17th Jun 2008 17:12 in reply to "RE[2]: what"
TheMonoTone Member since:
2006-01-01

Sorry but OS X 10.6 dealing with Multi-Core CPUs, GPUs in an agnostic approach to leverage what they should be doing while not blowing cycles on video games, all surrounded around straight-forward APIs for dozens if not hundreds of fields where such work has long been desired is far more ground breaking than Plasmoids.


OpenCL is supposed to be going to Khronos, the same people who administer OpenGL (according to wikipedia). Meaning even if its first on Mac OS X it shouldn't be the only platform to get it after it comes out. Linux and Mac would likely follow suite quickly after since it would most likely be done in a similar manner to opengl, meaning the vendor implements the api. They seem to like making things the same as much as possible across all their platforms.

More interstingly will be to see if the vendors actually follow along, especially nvidia as it seems like it'd be in their best interest to keep cuda working on their hardware as long as possible to dissuade purchasing of other brands. Fortunately for Apple they seem to be in bed with ATI at the moment.

So your argument in this case is primarily going for mac's grand-central business. Certainly interesting, but my guess is that they will be using llvm as they supposedly are for opencl (again wikipedia opencl article) in which case, once again, it certainly would be possible for any other operating system that support llvm to take advantage of this.

In either case, neither of these new Mac OS X api/libs/functionality/whatever-you-want-to-call-them deal with how the desktop itself functions, which is primarily what KDE focuses on. So once again you've done a plug for Steve Job's while trying to downplay the rest of the world. They are interesting but have almost nothing to do with the generic desktop interface and almost everything to do with speedy parallel processing of data.

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