Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 15th Jun 2008 20:47 UTC, submitted by eMalware
Mac OS X We all know about PsyStar, the company that sells an unofficial Macintosh clone running Mac OS X Leopard. While the device runs Leopard fine, it has its shortcomings in that operating system updates have to go through PsyStar testing first, becuase they might break your installation. While this problem isn't addressed with this product, EFiX aims to simplify installing Mac OS X Leopard on your non-Apple machine.
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Quality Hardware
by jbettcher on Mon 16th Jun 2008 22:47 UTC
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2008-06-15

Nobody really stated that it's a difference of the quality of hardware, its the packaging and design. Yes you can run OS X on vanilla hardware but saying you don't have to hack anything to get it to run is a ignorant insult to the people who spent hours coding the workarounds so that you can just download a patch and burn a DVD. Yeah maybe afterwords all you have to do is hack some device ID's in a PLIST to get the hardware working, but way more work that you didn't do went into it.

Apple selects hardware, programs/picks the drivers, and bundles them with their software. All the setups are stress tested to make sure they work. You can do the same with vanilla hardware and stress test the crap out of it so you know if works 100% but you won't know that it still will when the next release comes out and no you still don't have an Apple computer even if the hardware is the same grade or better.

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RE: Quality Hardware
by tupp on Tue 17th Jun 2008 00:22 in reply to "Quality Hardware"
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2006-11-12

Nobody really stated that it's a difference of the quality of hardware, its the packaging and design.

Actually, a couple of comments in this thread did suggest that Apple components are superior. And such misguided notions are posted all the time.

In regards to packaging, who wouldn't rather get a computer in a plain brown box and pay $100 less? Fancy packaging is worthless once one starts using the product.

As far as Apple design is concerned, its appeal is subjective. Furthermore, Apple has a history of problems with the usability and functionality with its hardware designs. Also, there are other brands that are just as "stylish."


Yes you can run OS X on vanilla hardware but saying you don't have to hack anything to get it to run is a ignorant insult to the people who spent hours coding the workarounds so that you can just download a patch and burn a DVD... way more work that you didn't do went into it.

What is the point here?

Yes. One doesn't have to hack anything to install OSX on a PC, because of the people who coded the work-arounds.

Apple coded Safari so that one can view a web page, and most Mac users have no clue as to what it took to code Safari. Are those clueless, ignorant Mac users making an insult to the Safari coders?


Apple selects hardware, programs/picks the drivers, and bundles them with their software. All the setups are stress tested to make sure they work.

Too bad such efforts do little good in real-world use. I cannot count the times that I have seen Macs have catastrophic failures and that have had to be rebooted. I cannot recall the number of times that I have seen a Mac have some problem with an update screwing things up.

If one doubts that Macs have problems, one merely has to visit websites like MacFixIt: www.macfixit.com/ Go to the forum section and to look at many more difficulties/complaints.

Edited 2008-06-17 00:28 UTC

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RE: Quality Hardware
by alcibiades on Tue 17th Jun 2008 07:01 in reply to "Quality Hardware"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

Yes you can run OS X on vanilla hardware

Not only can you, that is exactly what you are doing when you run OSX on Apple hardware.

Apple hardware IS vanilla hardware. That's the whole point, it is true that it is 'specially selected' in the same way that when I buy a Dell rather than an HP I have 'specially selected' the Dell. When I buy a Fruit of the Loom Tshirt, I have 'specially selected' it. When I buy that pack of generic brand frozen peas I have specially selected it also.

The hardware is not however 'specially selected' in any other sense. It is not higher end, it is not any better quality, it is not unavailable to Dell or HP. It is also used by Dell and HP. It is in fact exactly the same stuff as you get in what the Apple mavens think of as crappy Best Buy machines.

Its just that it comes in a different case. Often in a case which seems to have been specially designed to produce overheating!

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RE[2]: Quality Hardware
by Alleister on Tue 17th Jun 2008 21:36 in reply to "RE: Quality Hardware"
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2006-05-29

One difference is choice of components like electrolyte capacitors, which strongly determine lifespan expectation of mainboards etc. Also a big factor is the overall system design. Two different machines might be constructed of mostly the same types of hardware, but still one might have an bad heat dissipation concept or poor choice in ventilation (noisy), this or that component over- or undersized...
I do find Macs to be well constructed and the Mac Mini just blows my mind.
That isn't to say that there aren't very good PC hardware manufacturers. Despite bad opinion especially from the Mac crowd i think that Dell builds very nice Desktops and Workstations and do like the HP Laptops as well.
Still, they don't run OS X unhacked which would bring you unnecessary headaches, so you are mostly stuck with either using Linux, which is fine (and what i do with my HP Laptop) but lacks a lot of application types or to use Windows and i simply refuse to suffer through another Windows iteration, especially if it is so surreal bad as Vista.

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