Linked by Adam S on Wed 18th Jun 2008 17:59 UTC, submitted by TB
Linux For years now we have heard about Linux on the desktop and its need to make a concerted effort to illustrate its value to the end user and whatnot. The point of it all being is that if we expect Linux to become a household name, we must find away to get it into the minds of the typical user, like we have seen with Windows.
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Marketing.
by Windows Sucks on Wed 18th Jun 2008 21:57 UTC
Windows Sucks
Member since:
2005-11-10

Microsoft is big because they are big in Business. People use Windows cause it's what they have at the office. Its what I know.

Linux companies need to focus on making Linux the OS of choice in new markets (China, India, Africa)

Also Linux companies need to get the release cycle down to something like Apple. Putting in a bunch of new stuff each time a new version comes out and not fixing what you already have.

Stop changing the default application list. Don't change the default email client with each release. Find the one that your users want and then stick to it and make it work. If people want to add something else they are welcome to do it.

The other market I think is that they can go for kids and teens. Market in the US on places like qvc. Preloaded Linux machines for your kids. A machine they can't kill.

Just need some bright marketers to get out there and make it happen. Apple made the biggest come back in us corporate history with slick marketing and cool products. Remember the bubble iMac. Blueberry and Strawberry etc. Stupid but kids ate it up.

What is interesting is that a lot of people would rather buy a fake Mac from Psystar for $400 or build a hacked up PC to run Mac OS then to go out and get a $200 Linux machine. That says a lot.

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RE: Marketing.
by stabbyjones on Wed 18th Jun 2008 22:59 in reply to "Marketing."
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

it says the cult of mac is doing it's job. ;)

but in all seriousness it is all about marketing and putting linux in the face of consumers.

people have 'heard' about linux but because they only hear about it from people working in IT it turns them off. it really isn't that hard to pick up and use linux it's just that there is a complete user cluelessness about it in every way.

That and games, the one thing that kept me from full time linux for the longest amount of time was running games. in fact i still have a partition on a hard drive somewhere with vista on it, just in case a decent game comes along that isn't on my 360.

If Wine can make an easy way to install the DLL's from a product install or at least try and explain this when installing a program that would help a lot.

Wine works 1000% better than when i first started but to anyone who has never used linux before telling tham you can install some of their windows programs on linux is just going to frustrate them when they don't know how to add dll's.

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RE[2]: Marketing.
by Windows Sucks on Thu 19th Jun 2008 01:19 in reply to "RE: Marketing."
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

But you know what there are not a lot of games for Mac, getting better but needs a lot of work. But Macs are selling like hot cakes!

Why?

Cause they just work. No matter what people say about what is better and what is not one thing that is for sure is that for most mac owners who are not techs macs just work.

And no spyware, no ton of software loading up when you boot up etc. It boots up quick, works and shuts down quick.

I have not used Ubuntu pre loaded on Dells yet. But Windows and Linux machines just dont work that smooth.

But most of the new Mac users I know are people who saw my Mac (I am an IT consultant) and thought it was great saw how much I liked it and how easy it was to use and wanted that.

Also MS office is a big plus for the Mac.

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RE: Marketing.
by ecruz on Thu 19th Jun 2008 04:06 in reply to "Marketing."
ecruz Member since:
2007-06-16

Why are you surprised that people prefer to spend $400 for a windows box than $200 for a linux box?
At least they know what they are getting. I know enough about windows and linux and I know that for those $200 for a linux box I am getting the same old, retread software, the same old retread games, nothing new, nothing innovative in any way. Most linux applications are copies of successfull windows apps. It is time for linux to begin creating the needs ahead of computer users wants (that's what windows and apple do), not just copying whatever apple and windows does.
Even gnome. It began, (and it said so in their website at the time I read this a few years ago. They have since changed their goal statement), as an imitation of the apple desktop. That is typically what linux does. Copy, copy, copy!

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RE[2]: Marketing.
by Windows Sucks on Thu 19th Jun 2008 12:05 in reply to "RE: Marketing."
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

Why are you surprised that people prefer to spend $400 for a windows box than $200 for a linux box?


Actually what I said was: "What is interesting is that a lot of people would rather buy a fake Mac from Psystar for $400 or build a hacked up PC to run Mac OS then to go out and get a $200 Linux machine. That says a lot."

Nothing about Windows.

And speaking of copies, remember Windows from the beginning was and still is nothing but a copy of the Mac OS. To the point of Apple even suing them and getting money out of MS for copying.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE4D61F31F93BA257...

So don't just point fingers at Linux developers.

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RE: Marketing.
by KenJackson on Thu 19th Jun 2008 04:09 in reply to "Marketing."
KenJackson Member since:
2005-07-18

Thank you for the tip about Psystar (http://psystar.com/). I hadn't heard of them. They may be what I'm looking for.

I have this dream. I want to simultaneously run Linux, OS X, Windows and NetBSD on the same machine at the same time using KVM. I don't know if it can be done, but Pystar looks like the right platform to try it on.

What is interesting is that a lot of people would rather buy a fake Mac...
I want to run BOTH Linux and OS X. Maybe a lot of people do too.

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RE[2]: Marketing.
by hobgoblin on Thu 19th Jun 2008 04:57 in reply to "RE: Marketing."
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

kvm dont work that way...

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