Linked by Adam S on Wed 18th Jun 2008 17:59 UTC, submitted by TB
Linux For years now we have heard about Linux on the desktop and its need to make a concerted effort to illustrate its value to the end user and whatnot. The point of it all being is that if we expect Linux to become a household name, we must find away to get it into the minds of the typical user, like we have seen with Windows.
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RE[3]: Marketing.
by stabbyjones on Thu 19th Jun 2008 02:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Marketing."
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Gamers and users are seperate people.

users just want a computer, they don't need games beyond solitare, maybe they want something pretty but ultimately they just want something that gets the job done. every os is capable of fitting these needs.

Then people who play games want games first before anything else. even on the EEEpc forum i saw a post titled "will it play WOW?".

That is how much a single thing will sway opinion.

My point was that you need to be able to fill these spaces and games are still too difficult to get running on linux.

As far as everything else is concerned i've started a lot of people on ubuntu 8.04 and moved some of them to debian. There isn't a large learning curve beyond repos and GNOME navigation.

The "they just work" opinion annoys me because every OS can just work. If OEM's started putting Linux on machines they would be doing the same thing i do. making a fresh install usable to the person taking one home for the first time.

it's up to OEM's to create a similar style of base install that includes what people need without them having to do it themselves.
the reason Macs have an advantage here is because they own all the apps people want on a mac so they are easy to bundle.

The distro's give you the base, the OEM builds the machine and customises, then the user takes it home and says "wow, it just works"

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RE[4]: Marketing.
by Windows Sucks on Thu 19th Jun 2008 11:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Marketing."
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The problem is every OS doesn't just work. Windows doesn’t just work. Its a slow buggy nightmare for most users. Same with Ubuntu. Even preloaded its still buggy and can drive a person crazy.

With the Mac it's like a clock, you turn it on, do your business and turn it off. More like a device then a PC. Almost the same as the iPhone. You turn it on and use it. Its not perfect it but the normal user doesn't notice the bugs.

Apple is in the same position that the Japanese car companies are in.

Apple is Honda. They are known for making great cars, you pay more for them but that last longer and they have a high resale value. All around it's worth it.

MS is like GM. They are making much better cars now; some people will even say that their new cars are better then Honda and Toyota. Even though their cars are ugly they sell a lot because they have a lower price which makes for a bigger market. But all the years of making crappy cars has killed their reputation. Most of the people who buy GM do it because it's what they can afford and know. Or they are loyal Americans.

Linux companies are more like Hyundai for years they made the tough little beater. The car that people beat up etc but didn't care because it was cheap and fun. Only problem is that they have a reputation for being less reliable then GM. Yeah owners have figured out how to get around the short comings but the normal person still isn't buying that. Hyundai is slowly trying to grow market share and they are doing well but I doubt they will ever get to the level of a Honda or GM.

The funny thing is that like Hyundai, Linux has the market for heavy equipment. Hyundai makes all kinds of heavy equipment and is big in that market like Linux is big on servers

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Apple ha always developed towards the goal of an Information Appliance. Insert bread then wait for the pop and your toaster does the rest. Insert plate, press the time and start button and your microwave does the rest. Apple's goal is an information appliance that is as intuitive and efficient enough to be an information toaster or microwave.

It's a very different perception and aproach than focusing only on a general purpose OS. I love using the osX machine at home though I still spend most of my keyboard time infront of other machines and agree with Apple's other business strategies about as much as I do with MS business policy.

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RE[5]: Marketing.
by unclefester on Fri 20th Jun 2008 06:17 in reply to "RE[4]: Marketing."
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Hyundai is a mega-conglomerate. Cars are a small part of their business. In South Korea Hyundai sell limousines that are as expensive as the top GM or Ford models.

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