Linked by Adam S on Thu 19th Jun 2008 14:47 UTC, submitted by M-Saunders
SuSE, openSUSE A new major release of Novell's community-supported distro openSUSE 11 is now available and can be downloaded from the mirrors. Linux Format has a hands-on look at the new installer, SLAB menu and Compiz Fusion, and weighs up whether the distro can fight competition from Ubuntu and Fedora. Is this the start of a new era for SUSE?
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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Thu 19th Jun 2008 16:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
satan666
Member since:
2008-04-18

Yes, Novell contributes to many projects, but RedHat contributes much more to many more projects than Novell and RedHat did not sign a patents deal with Microsoft. Novell's contributions are not that important. The open source could do much better without Novell's "contributions" like Mono (banshee, tomboy and other useless applications). Why do we need Mono and C# when we have C++ and Java?

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RE[3]: Comment by satan666
by decriptor on Thu 19th Jun 2008 16:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by satan666"
decriptor Member since:
2008-06-19

Novell's contributions aren't limited to mono... They also contribute almost as much as redhat does to the linux kernel, not to much tons of other things, not sure how we can just simple do without Novell's contributions.

As far as the patent deal, I'm not sure that it was entirely for open source stuff. They have tons of proprietary products still.

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RE[3]: Comment by satan666
by TLZ_ on Thu 19th Jun 2008 16:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by satan666"
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2007-02-05

Mono can help people port over their .net apps they're writing on Windows. A lot of what's stopping some bussineses from crossing the OS-border is that they have software written in .NET.

Wine doesen't help here. Mono does.

Futhermore: we need a usable, good, RAD-dev enviroment. Java doesen't seem to quite provide that(although it is meant to). We are now seeing a lot of apps that we without Mono probably wouldn't have. Also: it attracts .net devs from the Windows plattform. And not least: Mono/.NET is interesting in it's own right. It's made from the ground up to support several languages. (Java does support other languages, but it wasn't designet for that to begin with.)

Now I think a lot of native GNOME-dev could be done better with Vala or Python rather than C#, but Mono seems to really help alot of devs chunk out cool apps. That's a good thing, isn't it? Take F-Spot or Tomboy, I can't think of really similar app for Linux.

The best thing to do if you're not satisfied with the Mono-situation. Shut the f--k up and write a better alternative than F-Spot/Tomboy/Banshee/etc. If it is better people will use that instead and distros will ship that instead. That's the great thing about OSS!

And as others have commented: Novell support more than just Mono! Evolution and Compiz for instance.

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RE[4]: Comment by satan666
by evangs on Thu 19th Jun 2008 17:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by satan666"
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2005-07-07

Mono can help people port over their .net apps they're writing on Windows. A lot of what's stopping some bussineses from crossing the OS-border is that they have software written in .NET.


The sad thing is that just as the Mono team come up with a fairly usable implementation of Winforms, Microsoft deprecates it and starts pushing WPF. I'm not saying that the two are linked, but seeing as they are always going to be playing catch-up with the latest and greatest from Redmond, it is going to find very limited use.

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RE[4]: Comment by satan666
by segedunum on Thu 19th Jun 2008 22:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by satan666"
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2005-07-06

Mono can help people port over their .net apps they're writing on Windows. A lot of what's stopping some bussineses from crossing the OS-border is that they have software written in .NET.

Wine doesen't help here. Mono does.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of Windows applications out there, both internal and shrink wrapped, are COM and Win32 based - despite Microsoft's pleas for us all to rewrite perfectly working applications in .Net for zero return on investment, and to blow both our legs off by using a ton of pointless technologies pulled straight out of an MSDN magazine. Just because they're so cool. Really, they are.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

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RE[4]: Comment by satan666
by Steniko on Thu 19th Jun 2008 23:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by satan666"
Steniko Member since:
2008-04-21

Take F-Spot or Tomboy, I can't think of really similar app for Linux.


LOL.

Yes mono apps are *sooo great*. I never heard of picasa or digikam. I never heard of tagore or basket notes. I never knew that the flagship mono application, beagle, got removed from gnome and replaced with tracker. Whats that you say? Banshee? Perhaps you might like to investigate rhythmbox, exaile or Amarok.

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RE[3]: Comment by satan666
by cjcox on Thu 19th Jun 2008 18:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by satan666"
cjcox Member since:
2006-12-21

Well.. you post was meant to incite.. but I'll focus on the end part. Why C# and Mono?

Did you know that Windows developers NOW have a completely free set of class libraries and infrastructure for which they can develope .Net applications? Not just .Net apps, but ones that can run both in Windows AND on Linux? Worthless? I don't think you're thinking very clearly. People are using the C# runtime and development environment AND class libraries from Mono to build applications on Windows platforms that Microsoft REFUSES to support. If you're still not convinced, I think you're living under a rock or something.

You'll just have to trust me that attempting genocide on the Windows community is NOT the right approach. Mono's approach is to provide a transition away from Microsoft's proprietary IDE, compiler and tools and onto a flexible platform that works everywhere.

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