Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Jun 2008 21:09 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Features, Office The battle between the OpenDocument Format and Microsoft's Open Office XML was long, and here and there rather nasty, but it appears as if we finally have a winner. The company behind OOXML already conceded by announcing it would implement support for ODF in Office 2007 SP2, but now it has also said it quite literally: ODF has won.
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Yeah well
by flanque on Thu 19th Jun 2008 21:27 UTC
flanque
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2005-12-15

Yeah, well it's up to implementation really.

Microsoft can say they support anything, but if it's not fully and standards compliant implemented, the value of it's inclusion is deminished.

Something about proof and puddings comes to mind.. hmm, I'm hungry.


Edit: Fixed a spelling error.

Edited 2008-06-19 21:28 UTC

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RE: Yeah well
by chrono13 on Thu 19th Jun 2008 22:05 in reply to "Yeah well"
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2006-10-25

Exactly.

If they implement ODF, but slightly off spec or with *cough*mistakes*cough*, then you would have ODF and MSODF.

You won't see Microsoft concede to release their grip on your data. Only when a significant number (say 10 percent) actually care if they can open their archived documents easily in 10 years and/or without paying money for the latest (possibly only available) version of MS Office will real standard implementation be dominant in the market. Which will make the data inter-operable, increasing competition, which will be beneficial to everyone - except Microsoft.

That is exactly why Microsoft has not, and will not concede. They will eventually lose, but you will not see them give up. If they did they would likely be facing shareholders in court.

When what is best for a corporation is not best for society or best for the advancement of the market that that the corporation operates in - the corporation is bound by law to maximize profit, even if that means stymieing advancement, even to such extremes as using all their power to actively damage their current markets if they believe will result in larger quarterly earnings.

Edited 2008-06-19 22:06 UTC

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RE[2]: Yeah well
by lemur2 on Thu 19th Jun 2008 23:32 in reply to "RE: Yeah well"
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2007-02-17

Exactly. If they implement ODF, but slightly off spec or with *cough*mistakes*cough*, then you would have ODF and MSODF. You won't see Microsoft concede to release their grip on your data. Only when a significant number (say 10 percent) actually care if they can open their archived documents easily in 10 years and/or without paying money for the latest (possibly only available) version of MS Office will real standard implementation be dominant in the market. Which will make the data inter-operable, increasing competition, which will be beneficial to everyone - except Microsoft. That is exactly why Microsoft has not, and will not concede. They will eventually lose, but you will not see them give up. If they did they would likely be facing shareholders in court. When what is best for a corporation is not best for society or best for the advancement of the market that that the corporation operates in - the corporation is bound by law to maximize profit, even if that means stymieing advancement, even to such extremes as using all their power to actively damage their current markets if they believe will result in larger quarterly earnings.


Not quite.

As soon as Microsoft released a MSOffice product which claimed to support ODF, and use it as the default format, with a view to allowing governments to purchase MSOffice because it had support for standards, then the first thing that would happen if the MSOffice would be subjected to a complaince test.

http://wiki.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument_Compliance_Testing

Imagine that ... a test to see if a given program complies with a standard or not.

This is so foreign to "Microsoft think" that most Microsoft supporters would probably not even realise that such a possibility existed.

If Microsoft claim that certain features of an Office suite are not supported by ODF ... but other Office suites which did use ODF did support that feature ... then in that way also is Microsoft's claim demonstrated to be false. It is just that Microsoft haven't bothered to implement it.

Anyway ... if MSODF did not pass the compliance tests, or did not include some features that other ODF Office suites did support, then what you would have is an Office suite from Microsoft that implemented file saving poorly, and several alternatives that cost a lot less which implemented it correctly ...

Any fair tendering process for a government purchase would either reject non-compliant MSOffice with MSODF, or if it didn't such a decision would be trivially easy to appeal ...

The only way for MS to compete in this arena is to implement ODF correctly.

Edited 2008-06-19 23:34 UTC

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RE: Yeah well
by Ringheims Auto on Thu 19th Jun 2008 22:18 in reply to "Yeah well"
Ringheims Auto Member since:
2005-07-23

Yeah...we all know how it went when they should implement HTML.

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RE: Yeah well
by PJBonoVox on Fri 20th Jun 2008 08:10 in reply to "Yeah well"
PJBonoVox Member since:
2006-08-14

You missed a spelling mistake.

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RE[2]: Yeah well
by flanque on Fri 20th Jun 2008 09:04 in reply to "RE: Yeah well"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

Haha, fanks.

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