Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Jun 2008 20:28 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Java Back in May 2006, Sun announced during the JavaOne conference it would release Java as open source, licensed as GPL software. While it was released as GPL, it still contained about 5 percent proprietary, non-free code - the Java trap, as the FSF calls it. The FSF called to dismantle this trap, and now the IcedTea project has reached an important milestone.
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RE[4]: The Java Trap
by Moulinneuf on Fri 20th Jun 2008 07:43 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: The Java Trap"
Moulinneuf
Member since:
2005-07-06

"You're most certainly not a pragmatist"


I guess I am not a pragamtist under the new and revised definition that say if you support the FSF and GPL your not pragmatist.

and you certainly qualify as being halfway deluded.


Not at all , as I am not you ;-)

"The JDK was always available to run on Linux"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)

"Sun distinguishes between its Software Development Kit (SDK) and Runtime Environment (JRE) that is a subset of the SDK, the primary distinction being that in the JRE, the compiler, utility programs, and many necessary header files are not present."

That show you as wrong ...

"Don't kid yourself that Java was open up so that the various "free" distros can include Java for "free". "


You still don't get it ...

There is now a 100% GPL version that can interact natively with all the existing GPL code and projects ...

Your the one who is completely deluded.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/

http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9423084269.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9815495-39.html

That's only the beginning of what I had in mind.

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RE[5]: The Java Trap
by m_abs on Fri 20th Jun 2008 12:41 in reply to "RE[4]: The Java Trap"
m_abs Member since:
2005-07-06

""The JDK was always available to run on Linux"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)

"Sun distinguishes between its Software Development Kit (SDK) and Runtime Environment (JRE) that is a subset of the SDK, the primary distinction being that in the JRE, the compiler, utility programs, and many necessary header files are not present."

That show you as wrong ...
"
How the hell does that prove him wrong? It has little to do with what he wrote.

You do know what a JDK is right?

JDK is a subset of Java SDK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDK#Ambiguity_between_a_JDK_and_an_SDK

Which has been available for Linux many years.
I first used it at around 1.4 when I first started to use Linux. When it was first available for Linux I don't know. But that fact is, that even without OpenJDK it has been possible to build and run Java code on Linux for many years.

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RE[6]: The Java Trap
by Moulinneuf on Fri 20th Jun 2008 14:02 in reply to "RE[5]: The Java Trap"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

"How the hell does that prove him wrong?"


His point was that the entire source code was always available from SUN ... This show it was not ...

It has little to do with what he wrote.


It's a direct list of what was missing on GNU/Linux.

You do know what a JDK is right?


Yes , something tell me you don't know what the JAVA offer is and was. That's why when you see some source code and you get to wrongly think it's the complete offer.

"But that fact is, that even without OpenJDK it has been possible to build and run Java code on Linux for many years."

Not by using Sun source code or there tools ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackdown_Java

Kaffe too come to mind ...

GNU/Linux runs on a lot of platform and device that the Sun tools don't support ... Also the previous version where lacking features that the other SDK from other OS had.

http://community.java.net/linux/

Why do you think there are so many SDK and JVM and tools and IDE ? Because you think SUN was offering GNU/Linux it's full feature on par with the other offer for other OS ? Answer is NO ...

Another reality problem you guys have is that you don't know on how many platform and device GNU/Linux run on and when the tool don't support because it don't identify it and you cant modify it , your toast until SUN decide to get around to support it. Not anymore ...

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RE[5]: The Java Trap
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 21st Jun 2008 22:19 in reply to "RE[4]: The Java Trap"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Not at all , as I am not you ;-)


Or as we say in English: "I know you are, but what am I?"

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