Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Jun 2008 11:07 UTC
Linux.com has a review of Opera 9.5, which also includes various benchmarks for Opera, Firefox, Safari, and IE on both Windows and Linux. Linuxcom concludes: "Opera 9.5 is full to the brim with features and improvements and highly customizable. By rolling in apps such as the mail client and IRC chat application, and integrating them into a user's browsing experience, Opera 9.5 is a worthy challenger to Firefox 3. It surely has enough power and features to make it my favorite browser. If only it were free software and open source!"
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RE[2]: Free and OpenSauce?
by renhoek on Tue 24th Jun 2008 22:56
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i'll bite too 
How do you think, that during my daily job, I fix issues with Firefox?
We provide it to customers, and we're able to fix it when trouble arise. I couldn't fix Opera like that, because it isn't Open source.
We provide it to customers, and we're able to fix it when trouble arise. I couldn't fix Opera like that, because it isn't Open source.
If i start fixing bugs in firefox, i need to check out a lot of code, spend most likely weeks to get the build environment to work and then months to understand the code so i can get started. (just checked, ff 1.5 has 10K of files and 2M lines of code).
Do you really think i can justify the time spend to any customer? I don't know your line of business but i don't think you can either.
From a business point of view it's much cheaper to just pay the opera dudes to fix it. All that "you can fix it yourself" crap is pissing me off because it doesn't work like that in the real world.
Bug fixes can only done by people who know the effects on the other components as well, therefore it's much better to file a bugreport. In case of open source you can attach a patch as a bonus, but that's about it.
Did you really fix some stuff in firefox? (If so, please point out a commit entry on the firefox tree made by you, so you can make a fool out of me
) Anybody else who thinks of fixing bugs, take a look at http://hg.mozilla.org/ and try to get it even up and running, i dare you! (disclaimer : I love opensource, i run freebsd and a lot op open source products. But i only had the delusion once i could fix bugs in complex projects like firefox.)
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2005-11-14
"I'll bite"
You hereby are mistaken "free" as in beer and "Free" as in Freedom. Pathetic.
More seriously, and despite the mistake of yours, obviously, people are bored of comparing Emacs and Vim, comparing MacOS, Linux and Windows, KDE and Gnome, so now its all about Firefox and Opera.
The bottom line is: everyone is spreading a bunch of FUD.
Let's take yours: Do you honestly think, for f--k sakes, that no one is looking at the Firefox code source?
How do you think people discover vulnerabilities, by luck?
How do you think, that during my daily job, I fix issues with Firefox?
We provide it to customers, and we're able to fix it when trouble arise. I couldn't fix Opera like that, because it isn't Open source.
Maybe that, by now, you've taken your head out of your ass and you start looking at the world around you: maybe a closed source software makes no *direct* difference to you, but it does to others.
Note that, by not figuring out that you indirectly get a lot of Free support through Open source software, it makes you look dumb.
This aside, Opera is a very decent browser, as well as Firefox. I prefer Firefox myself because I don't like the interface and integration of Opera. That's really a matter of taste, I guess.
Features and performance are ok. For company use, I prefer Firefox by a large margin because we can fix it or make it do whatever we need to. In fact, we wouldn't even think about Opera.