Linked by Smith Johnson on Wed 25th Jun 2008 19:07 UTC, submitted by sjvn
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y A Computerworld blog post reads: "You gotta love it. Microsoft has decided that it will ho ahead and kill off easy access to XP on June 30th. On behalf of desktop Linux users everywhere, and our first cousins, the Mac fans, thanks. You've given us the best shot we'll ever have of taking the desktop."
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Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Wed 25th Jun 2008 19:37 UTC
satan666
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2008-04-18

Well, maybe Linux or MacOS will never take over the desktop but at least their market share will improve which is good. When Windows 7 comes in 2010 I hope it will be even worse than Vista. Maybe then the playfield will level a little bit more so we (the customers) will have choice.

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RE: Comment by satan666
by mikefarinha on Wed 25th Jun 2008 19:44 in reply to "Comment by satan666"
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2008-06-25

...When Windows 7 comes in 2010 I hope it will be even worse than Vista. Maybe then the playfield will level a little bit more so we (the customers) will have choice.


Such a revealing quote... So what you're saying is Windows is such a good OS that it's next iteration needs to be worse in order for other OSes to compete.

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Wed 25th Jun 2008 20:19 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
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2008-04-18

No, what I'm saying is that I hope Windows 7 will be bad so people will suffer so much that they will wake up form the inertia that's driving them right now. As bad as Vista is now, people still use it. So Windows 7 has to be worse in order to get people's attention.

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by dbodner on Wed 25th Jun 2008 21:35 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
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2007-07-01

"...When Windows 7 comes in 2010 I hope it will be even worse than Vista. Maybe then the playfield will level a little bit more so we (the customers) will have choice.


Such a revealing quote... So what you're saying is Windows is such a good OS that it's next iteration needs to be worse in order for other OSes to compete.
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Or it could be that there's such a resistance to change, it would take an utter failure for the OS in use to push people to switch.

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RE: Comment by satan666
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 25th Jun 2008 19:46 in reply to "Comment by satan666"
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2005-06-29

so we (the customers) will have choice.


Strange. I already choose Linux and Mac OS X.

You already have the choice. It's just that people don't give a rat's ass about computers, and don't care about "choice", just as I don't give a rat's ass about "choice" when it comes to beer. I don't drink the stuff, and hence couldn't care less whatever people give me the odd occasion I do drink it.

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Wed 25th Jun 2008 20:23 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
satan666 Member since:
2008-04-18

Yes you have choice right now, but that choice is limited by stupid companies that refuse to issue Linux or Mac versions of their software (AutoCAD, Photoshop, drivers, etc). If every single application was available for all platforms, I bet Linux's desktop market share would be higher.

Edited 2008-06-25 20:25 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 26th Jun 2008 19:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
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2006-12-05

You already have the choice. It's just that people don't give a rat's ass about computers, and don't care about "choice", just as I don't give a rat's ass about "choice" when it comes to beer. I don't drink the stuff, and hence couldn't care less whatever people give me the odd occasion I do drink it.


Damn, that reminds me. A Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold, Goose Island Nut Brown Ale or Ayinger Ur-Weisse sounds good right about now. On the other hand, if people stick with the popular crap, they really don't have much choice: typical American-style macro beers usually are so similar, and the differences get down to which ones are at least somewhat tolerable, vs. which ones just suck. Kind of like in operating systems... in fact, the big brands might as well be called "The Windows of Beers." :p

But really--I'm not sure that people don't "care" about choice. They just don't really know what's out there, and probably perceive Macs more inconvenient to get a hold of (plus more unfamiliar) and Linux a major PITA to install and use, or just don't know about it at all. But the biggest problem... it's damn near impossible, unless you know exactly how and where to look, to find a Linux-loaded computer. Windows? You can't find a computer without it. Macs? Yeah, those "premium" priced computers you have to specially order.

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RE: Comment by satan666
by BluenoseJake on Wed 25th Jun 2008 20:33 in reply to "Comment by satan666"
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2005-08-11

We already have choice, what most people are missing is knowledge about those choices. OS X has been around since 2000, and Linux a whole lot longer. BSD even longer. The problem is getting the information to potential users in a form they understand, so they can make real decisions, and not just take the default.

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RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by Doc Pain on Wed 25th Jun 2008 23:30 in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
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2006-10-08

The problem is getting the information to potential users in a form they understand, so they can make real decisions, and not just take the default.


This would imply that users will want to decide. But in most cases, they don't want. There were discussions about how non-MICROS~1 OSes are presented, in media advertising, as boxes on the shelf, or installed on computers that reside on the shelf or can be ordered online. Users want something preinstalled that works and that does everything. I'm not claiming that "Windows" does follow this wish, but people do believe this. To make a big leap now: It's not about knowing, it's about believing. And finally, it's about education. Today, you don't need education to use a PC, you even may be illiterate, no problem, look at the squeaking buttons and dancing elephants. Education, as well as judging and deciding, involves active participation in certain topics. For most users, this seems to be too much work. The result? They just take the default, as you mentioned.

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