Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jun 2008 15:13 UTC
Oracle and SUN Sun UK's chief open-source officer, Simon Phipps, has a high-profile role to play as the company is seeking a complete its move to 100 percent open software development. When asked about the criticism over its commitment to open source, Simon re-iterate its commitment with a "Pig and a Chicken" story: "Both animals were asked by the farmer to bring something along for breakfast one morning to show their worth. The chicken turns up with an egg, while the pig turns up with a side of bacon. The farmer looks over the offerings and says: "Well, the chicken has contributed, but the pig is committed."
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RE[5]: The New World
by Kebabbert on Sun 29th Jun 2008 14:51 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: The New World"
Kebabbert
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2007-07-27

"Back to Sun, I wish people stopped being dishonest by using the term 'giving it away'. Sun isn't giving anything away. The value in software isn't the zeros and ones, it is in the all the things that surround it. Software make a piece of hardware useful, services have to be sold onto of software to make it useful in large companies. To say that software in and of itself is profitable simply ignores how a software business operates."


So you mean that SUN is not giving away anything? Let me ask you, which other large company has open sourced their crown jewels and made them free for anyone to download and use? Tell me. Sure, open sourcing SPARC doesnt help the average user, but the rest of their software? SUN aims to open source everything.


Would you rather see all other large companies follow in SUN's footsteps (open sourcing everything that can be opened), or not? Would you rather see SUN buying MySQL and closing it, and charging outrageous money? Would you like that? If large companies bought and closed everything? Is that a good scenario?

Is it just me, or do people exist that doesn't like companies open sourcing everything that can be open sourced? Are there people prefering closed source?

What happens if SUN becomes successfull on this? EVERY company will open up everything that can be opened up! Is that good or not?




PS. Of course I realize SUN is hoping to charge for support and this and that. But a company that has to pay salaries to 30.000 people must get money from somewhere? All I am saying is that I would love if all companies opened up everything. Dont you agree? Should we fight against companies that tries to open source their stuff? If Microsoft tried to open up Windows, NTFS, Office, etc - should we fight that process?

Edited 2008-06-29 14:55 UTC

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RE[6]: The New World
by kaiwai on Sun 29th Jun 2008 22:40 in reply to "RE[5]: The New World"
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2005-07-06

So you mean that SUN is not giving away anything? Let me ask you, which other large company has open sourced their crown jewels and made them free for anyone to download and use? Tell me. Sure, open sourcing SPARC doesnt help the average user, but the rest of their software? SUN aims to open source everything.


And there you are being dishonest again; equating the opensourcing of something to giving it away. Opensourcing something, no matter how much you scream and shout, is not 'giving it away'. The value isn't in the 1's and 0's. You have a fixation on the 1's and 0's. The value isn't in that, but what the company can provide to the end user to support those 1's and 0's.

Do you really think that people purchase the software for the pretty case and pretty booklet? they purchase the software to get access to updates and support - hence the reason I don't blame Microsoft when they did the WGA to ensure that only those who purchased a genuine copy obtained updates (although they did go about the wrong way of enforcing it).

You seem to have fixation stuck on the idea of the 'boxed product' when people don't purchase the 'boxed product'. The end user purchases the culmination of different aspects which come in the form of a 'boxed product'. Opensourcing doesn't change that. The only thing it does do is eliminate the idea of piracy.

Again, the value isn't directly in the product itself, the 1's and 0's.

Can it work for every company for every product? I don't know, it has never been tested. I know it does work in the enterprise environment where throwing around a cd with executable code doesn't mean that it'll get adopted. Enterprise customers want more than just 1's and 0's. They want the whole support apparatus behind the product; that is what they're paying for each month/quarter/year etc.

I do think that some things can and should be opensourced. Flash plugin for example, should be opensourced. There is no 'value' in the plugin. The value is derived from the content creating tools that make the plugin useful. To say that the plugin has value is like saying that the television set in your louge room is of higher value than the media being transmitted to it.

There are others that I just couldn't see working, Photoshop for example, the number of customers willing to pay volunteerily for support and updates, I can't see it happening. I'd love to be proven wrong, but given how customers behave regarding Photoshop, I don't think it would be possible.

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