Linked by David Adams on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 16:11 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
KDE "After the recent release KDE 4.1 beta 2 and openSUSE 11 with KDE 4.0.4, some critics have been especially vocal in expressing their displeasure with the KDE 4 user interface paradigms. The debate has grown increasingly caustic as critics and supporters engage in a war of words over the technology. The controversy has escalated to the point where some users are now advocating a fork in order to move forward the old KDE 3.5 UI paradigms. As an observer who has closely studied each new release of KDE 4, I'm convinced that the fork rhetoric is an absurdly unproductive direction for this debate."
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by aseigo on Fri 4th Jul 2008 01:23 UTC in reply to "KDE 4"
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But the actual functionality is lot less impressive and is what should be the focus instead of more bling.

we actually focus on both, and that's pretty apparent in the improvements made in the last 5 years along both tracks.

GNOME is usable and functional, and most of 3rd party apps itegrate well with it (they use Gtk).

like Skype or Google Earth or NX or Scribus? no, wait, those use Qt... to name a few. ;)

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RE[2]: KDE 4
by grfgguvf on Fri 4th Jul 2008 02:56 in reply to "RE: KDE 4"
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Somehow when I decide to try KDE for a time I always end up using all Gtk apps, the only exception last time was VirtualBox.

All the good apps, which is very subjective, seem to use Gtk.

On the other hand these days the trend is toward web apps. I don't know the numbers but I never ever used Skype - every one of my contacts preferred Google Talk (the web/Flash based version).
Also, Google Maps can do everything Earth can, except for the 3D, which is unusably slow on Linux anyway.
Scribus is horrible but I digress...

I am guessing that the deployment in Brazilian schools is Mandriva/Conetiva, right?

I happened to go to a school which was equipped with 286s acting as X terminals and running KDE 1 on Debian. Welcome to the end of the 20th century in eastern Europe. The other half of the machines were Macs with OS 8 I think from the pile that Steve Jobs overstocked and could only sell or give as a gift to governments.

So actually KDE was the second GUI I was exposed to, but this didn't stop me from seeking alternatives. I borrowed a Linux CD and installed it at home. And on someone's suggestion I tried WindowMaker. What a relief! Seemingly vital parts of the desktop no longer randomly disappeared (I later learnt it's called a crash). (BTW I also tried Win95 at the time and it seemed worse than KDE.) The situation didn't change much in these approx. 10 years:

While scrolling with the mouse wheel in Konqueror, the cursor flickers. In fact Plasma makes the whole screen flicker. Plasma or the KDE 3 panel still crash on a daily basis. Not to mention that most sites don't work in the futuristic Konqueror complete with aquatic scrollbar effect. Most documents don't open in KOffice. And so on.

I know the technology is in there. WebKit will put KDE ahead probably in the browser area, or at least on par with epiphany. What matters is the really small details, and stability, and also leveraging others' work instead of writing the own version of everything.

And currently GNOME is comfortable to use and I fear that students in Brazil will choose GNOME too when installing their free copy of Linux at home. At least those who care about such things. Others might dismiss the whole idea of computers if they are unreliable and don't function as common sense would dictate.

That is what a lot of my classmates did after their exposure to KDE back then.

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RE[3]: KDE 4
by grfgguvf on Fri 4th Jul 2008 03:14 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 4"
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Basically the morale is: A good UI can only be made as a result of a process of continual enhancement. Evolution and not revolution.

And KDE 4 is revolutionary. In part it is because KDE doesn't control Qt, and so the rug has been pulled from under it, so to speak.

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