Linked by David Adams on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 16:11 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
KDE "After the recent release KDE 4.1 beta 2 and openSUSE 11 with KDE 4.0.4, some critics have been especially vocal in expressing their displeasure with the KDE 4 user interface paradigms. The debate has grown increasingly caustic as critics and supporters engage in a war of words over the technology. The controversy has escalated to the point where some users are now advocating a fork in order to move forward the old KDE 3.5 UI paradigms. As an observer who has closely studied each new release of KDE 4, I'm convinced that the fork rhetoric is an absurdly unproductive direction for this debate."
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KDE4 Look
by farfromhome on Fri 4th Jul 2008 02:56 UTC
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After playing with KDE 4.1 Beta 2, I have come to the conclusion that it is a big step forward from KDE 4.0. Thanks to all the devs for their hard work. It is still not perfect though. My problem with it isn't the desktop icons (I don't really care one way or the other there), or even the dreaded cashew (though it is a bit ugly IMHO), but, call me shallow, it's the overall look of the thing.

I actually like more brightly colored, eye-popping themes, and am one of the ten people in the world who actually prefers Keramik to Plastik, though I like both. I much prefer even Plastik to Oxygen though. I know, I can change the theme, and you can get a decent Plastik in KDE4 at least, with the Keramik window borders even. Can somebody please port the Keramik controls though (or at least give a link on how to do so)? And make a way to have a less dark, heavy grey in the bottom toolbar? Perhaps even just see-though. Really the toolbar is the only complaint I have about the look of KDE4 that is not changeable AFAIK, aside from the cashew which isn't as big a deal to me.

Apple has top-notch graphics artists, and can manage to make a grey theme look somewhat elegant and visually pleasing. Microsoft does not, and I don't particularly like their dark toolbar approach in Vista either. KDE4's default theme (grey everywhere) just looks dreary and a poor imitator of Mac OS X's brushed metal. Not a huge deal and all IMHO, but that's why more configuration of the look would be greatly appreciated even if the default look sucks. ;)

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RE: KDE4 Look
by Yagami on Fri 4th Jul 2008 11:57 in reply to "KDE4 Look"
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you should check kde-look plasma themes.

in my opinion , the "glaze" theme is just awesome !

it has the best clock i have ever seen.

also , i too like more bright colors, so i changed the kde colors from the dark gray to some very whity colors.

these are all details, that the solution my appear any day at there are already alot of themes there.

about the style, you may like the bespin kde4 style. if not, i am sure that once kde4.1 and or 4.2 arrive, there will be tons of plasma themes, plasmoids and styles over at

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RE[2]: KDE4 Look
by Propolis on Fri 4th Jul 2008 16:22 in reply to "RE: KDE4 Look"
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Plasma themes? Why are there plasma themes and Styles? The default Plasma theme is black and style is gray by default. This makes KDE4 visually inconsistent.

This comes from an over hype of Plasma in relation to standard apps. Plasma should be a framework for panels and screenlets but is sharing the paradigm with the conventional desktop leading to confusion.

At there are only four entries under Themes/Styles-KDE4.0 in 2008 but there are dozens under Plasma Themes. Is Plasma more important then the standard desktop? Well now even the basic file management function is becoming a plasmoid. The paradigm is a desktop cluttered with useless gadgets like a puzzle game that is supposed to be an application.

Besides the inconsistency that the over utilization of Plasma brings the whole KDE4 experience. They preserve the ugliest aspects of KDE3 that is hard to address with themes like BIG icons, bold fonts and this obsession with clocks.

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