Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Sat 5th Jul 2008 22:03 UTC
KDE KDE 4.1 is supposed to make everything right with the recently troubled desktop. Everyone agrees now that KDE 4.0 was a mistake. However, what the mistake was -- and whose -- is a matter of opinion. KDE developers blame distributions for rushing to include a release that was never intended for everyday use, while users blame developers for changing everything. More here. Also, Tectonic published an article titled "Beyond the desktop with KDE4", while the now well-known for its sarcasm 'Linux Hater' blog has something to say too (warning: some profanity).
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RE: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 6th Jul 2008 10:55 UTC in reply to "KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
KAMiKAZOW
Member since:
2005-07-06

releasing something with a full version is saying it's finished.

The KDE guys NEVER said it's finished. It was a dot-0 release like KDE 2.0, GNOME 2.0, Apache 2.0, Mac OS X 10.0, ...

KDE 4.0 was a good release for what had realistically to be expected from it.

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RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by google_ninja on Sun 6th Jul 2008 12:38 in reply to "RE: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
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2006-02-05

what about 4.1?

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RE[3]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 6th Jul 2008 17:33 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Judging from the betas, it's probably going to be a fine release.

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RE[3]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by segedunum on Mon 7th Jul 2008 14:39 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

It's going to be a good release judging from what I've seen. As per usual though you'll see new features getting added in successive versions.

Edited 2008-07-07 14:39 UTC

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RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by ruel24 on Sun 6th Jul 2008 12:49 in reply to "RE: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
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2006-03-21

Then it should have been KDE 3.9.99 or 4.0 Beta or something, but not released as 4.0. I was around when KDE 3.0 was released, and it was far more complete, and so were those other products who were released with full version numbers.

Fact is, this is in Alpha, not Beta, and should have never been released. If KDE thinks that distros were too quick to release it, then they shouldn't have released it. What were they thinking?

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RE[3]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 6th Jul 2008 17:18 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Then it should have been KDE 3.9.99 or 4.0 Beta or something, but not released as 4.0. I was around when KDE 3.0 was released, and it was far more complete, and so were those other products who were released with full version numbers.
KDE 3.0 was mostly a plain port of KDE 2 technologies to Qt 3.x. KDE 2.0 was more comperable to KDE 4.0 and KDE 2.0 laid out the foundation until 3.5.x. GNOME 2.0 was a similar release.

Fact is, this is in Alpha, not Beta, and should have never been released.
Shut up. It's neither a fact nor can you change the past.
I use KDE 4.0.4 on openSUSE 11.0 and it's stable and usable.

What were they thinking?

They laid out the motivations months before KDE 4.0.0 was even released on blogs (kdedevelopers.org, planetkde.org), KDE Dot News, etc.

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RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by tyrione on Sun 6th Jul 2008 17:23 in reply to "RE: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"releasing something with a full version is saying it's finished.

The KDE guys NEVER said it's finished. It was a dot-0 release like KDE 2.0, GNOME 2.0, Apache 2.0, Mac OS X 10.0, ...

KDE 4.0 was a good release for what had realistically to be expected from it.
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Let's stop throwing in OS X 10.0.

That's an entire Operating System whilst KDE is a Desktop Environment, on top of an operating system. All device drivers, kernel, security and filesystems are the responsibility of the respective operating systems it sits atop.

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RE[3]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 6th Jul 2008 17:36 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Let's stop throwing in OS X 10.0.

That's an entire Operating System whilst KDE is a Desktop Environment, on top of an operating system. All device drivers, kernel, security and filesystems are the responsibility of the respective operating systems it sits atop.

So what? It was still a rough dot-0 release.

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RE[3]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake
by segedunum on Mon 7th Jul 2008 14:40 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 4.0 is a mistake"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Let's stop throwing in OS X 10.0.

It's still a very good example of a .0 release. OS X was pretty damn terrible for a couple of revisions, but you could see where it was headed.

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