Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Jul 2008 22:04 UTC
Windows As someone who uses Windows Vista practically daily, I've always wondered where all the negativity in the media comes from. Sure, Vista isn't perfect (as if any operating system is), but I just don't see where all the complaints are coming from. It runs just fine on my old (6 years) machine, all my software and hardware is compatible, and it's stable as a rock. Microsoft has been wondering the same thing, and after a little test, they may have found out why people seem to dislike Vista so much.
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I Hate Vista
by TheBashar on Thu 24th Jul 2008 22:30 UTC
TheBashar
Member since:
2005-06-30

And I'll tell you why. I've been using Vista since November the very first reason I hate Vista is the double-prompting in UAC.

I download a FOSS utility and extract it to a folder under my temp directory. After determining that I like it I want to copy it to My \Program Files\Util directory. Now windows explorer prompts me with a "You need Admin privileges" to do this. I saw OK. Now UAC darkens my screen with the actual elevation prompt.

This is just one example but there are tons of scenarios that cause this crap. You have to elevate to do this, ok or cancel? UAC here, do you want to elevate, ok or cancel? Don't harass me twice! Just skip to the UAC prompt.

Second royal PITA is there is no way to trust an unsigned utility. I've got tons of these handy FOSS utilities and every single damned time I run one Vista UAC has to darken my screen and ask me if I'm sure. Yes, for hells sake, I've used this utility 100 times now. There really needs to be a "Yes and don't ask again for this executable" option.

I have more legitimate complaints, but these two are royal PITAs.

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RE: I Hate Vista
by Maciek on Thu 24th Jul 2008 23:36 in reply to "I Hate Vista"
Maciek Member since:
2005-11-15

Let me see if I got this right. Your primary reason for hating Vista is UAC, which takes a grand total of about thirty seconds and a restart to disable? People seem to be trying very hard to find a good reason to hate Vista.

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RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by TheBashar on Fri 25th Jul 2008 00:39 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
TheBashar Member since:
2005-06-30

Let me see if I get this right, you want me to like Vista by disabling it's main security feature? I don't want a totally unsecured OS, I just don't want to be repeatedly harassed for the same thing over and over again. I want to the option to say "yes and don't ask for this one program again". And that's not even mentioning things like file copies where it prompts me twice every action. First explorer and then UAC.

I bet the Mojave participants weren't shown repeated authorization pop-ups for the same blessed task over and over.

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RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by melkor on Fri 25th Jul 2008 04:00 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Yes, but I would NOT recommend doing that - the whole point of UAC is increasing the security of the system. We shouldn't be encouraging people to turn UAC off, but rather educate them on why it's there, why it's needed, and what it does. UAC is not that bad, I get the odd prompt here and there (which mirrors everyone else that I've spoken to about Vista in my circle of friends), but it's quick, easy to approve and voila.

The *real* problem is that there are simply far too many people using computers who simply are idiots and shouldn't be allowed within cooee of one. I mean, do you let any old idiot drive a car without first getting a licence? Nope.

Dave

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RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by WereCatf on Fri 25th Jul 2008 08:29 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Let me see if I got this right. Your primary reason for hating Vista is UAC, which takes a grand total of about thirty seconds and a restart to disable? People seem to be trying very hard to find a good reason to hate Vista.

What good is UAC if it's disabled? That's one of the primary selling points of Vista, if you disable it you're no better in that regards than using XP.

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v RE: I Hate Vista
by CrazyDude1 on Thu 24th Jul 2008 23:44 in reply to "I Hate Vista"
RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by TheBashar on Fri 25th Jul 2008 00:47 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
TheBashar Member since:
2005-06-30

Microsoft reassures me (through their marketing and blog posts) that all my troubles with UAC are just misunderstood. Sure it pops up a lot in the beginning, they say, but just wait a week and it will subside.

Total BS. UAC continues to prompt (often repeatedly) for actions throughout the life of the OS unless you totally disable it. You want to know why people hate Vista, well this is one reason.

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RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by _txf_ on Fri 25th Jul 2008 01:05 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

It would have taken you less time to disable UAC than writing this post.


wrong!

You need to restart/logoff to get rid of it proper...so it does take time or is a hassle 'cos then you have to close all your programs and do the whole windows business when you change system settings.

Not to mention one shouldn't have to...
I have no beef with uac itself, just the way it presents itself:
-2 nags when 1 should do the trick
-screen frozen under the darkened tint (hello! compositing??)
-the tint is totally unecessary anyways (flickers when switching)
-no way to provide trusted programs
-no fine grained way to set uac privileges

Edited 2008-07-25 01:13 UTC

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RE: I Hate Vista
by ohxten on Thu 24th Jul 2008 23:51 in reply to "I Hate Vista"
ohxten Member since:
2008-02-17

I haven't even *tried* Vista. The main reason is I don't want to spend $100 and also because I don't have a DVD drive. The second reason is I'm perfectly happy with *nix. When I need to use Windows I use XP.

I'm loving OpenBSD right now... ;)

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RE: I Hate Vista
by joelito_pr on Fri 25th Jul 2008 00:40 in reply to "I Hate Vista"
joelito_pr Member since:
2005-07-07

But disabling UAC kind off defeats the purpose of requiring user interaction to write to system folders, doesn't it?

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RE: I Hate Vista
by hobgoblin on Fri 25th Jul 2008 01:47 in reply to "I Hate Vista"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

is there not a microsoft statement saying that uac was designed to annoy third party devs into minimizing their use of admin access right when not needed?

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RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by TheBashar on Fri 25th Jul 2008 01:50 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
TheBashar Member since:
2005-06-30

I've seen that arrogant statement. But this has nothing to do with 3rd party devs requiring admin rights access. I get harassed any time I run any third-party app that hasn't been digitally signed even if no admin rights at all are in play. And I can never tell vista that I trust that particular application and to stop asking.

I think MS was more interested in annoying users to get them to shift away from F/OSS programs that don't have the infrastructure to digitally sign all their tools.

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RE: I Hate Vista
by melkor on Fri 25th Jul 2008 03:44 in reply to "I Hate Vista"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

The reason why you can't say "yes, and don't ask me again" is because the next time it comes up, it might be caused by something malicious.

I've been using Vista for the past 5 weeks and I love it - looks brilliant, stable, fast (very fast actually), reliable - it *just* works. And I'm using the 64 bit version, which supposedly has more problems than you can poke a stick at.

UAC is not a major issue at all, certainly no worse than dropping to a terminal in Linux and having to su or sudo to gain root access.

If you're going to whinge about something, then at least whinge about something that's worth while.

Dave

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RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by TheBashar on Fri 25th Jul 2008 05:54 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
TheBashar Member since:
2005-06-30

Are you serious? I'm not saying it should never ask again about anything, but give me the option to say I trust this executable. It's like saying "you're trying to use an unsigned grep, do you trust it?" and then five minutes later "you're trying to use an unsigned grep, do you trust it?", and again, and again, and again, ad infinitum.

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RE[2]: I Hate Vista
by kaiwai on Fri 25th Jul 2008 07:31 in reply to "RE: I Hate Vista"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

[q]The reason why you can't say "yes, and don't ask me again" is because the next time it comes up, it might be caused by something malicious.[/quote]

Did you read the whole request, he wants it on a per-application basis. What is so hard about UAC running an md5 against the exe file in question, store the result of that exe so that the next time it is loaded it is just a matter of a quick check against the stored md5 to see if it is the same exe - and allow the application to run?

Geeze, I thought of a solution just then that addresses the fundamental problem and the perceived security implications in under a minute. It isn't rocket science - just good old fashioned commonsense.

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