Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Jul 2008 22:04 UTC
Windows As someone who uses Windows Vista practically daily, I've always wondered where all the negativity in the media comes from. Sure, Vista isn't perfect (as if any operating system is), but I just don't see where all the complaints are coming from. It runs just fine on my old (6 years) machine, all my software and hardware is compatible, and it's stable as a rock. Microsoft has been wondering the same thing, and after a little test, they may have found out why people seem to dislike Vista so much.
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RE: Indeed, a little lie
by melkor on Fri 25th Jul 2008 03:54 UTC in reply to "Indeed, a little lie"
melkor
Member since:
2006-12-16

Your friend got a new laptop, with only 1gb and that's Microsoft's fault how? Several things here - most onboard laptop video cards are weaker than wet cardboard. 1gb of RAM? XP struggled with that in all honesty, and you expect Vista to happily crawl along with that?

Let me spell-it-out-for-you - how about friggen blaming the damn well laptop manufacturer for being a tightass and ONLY giving 1gb of RAM?

Gees guys...are you that blindly idiotic that you blame the worlds woes for Microsoft, even when it clearly isn't Microsoft's fault?

If you love Linux or BSD great. That doesn't give you a free licence to bash Windows just cos you can. Grow a damn well brain and use it ffs.

I'm really sick and tired of this Vista bashing, it's a fine o/s that works great.

Dave

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v RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie
by hollovoid on Fri 25th Jul 2008 04:22 in reply to "RE: Indeed, a little lie"
RE[3]: Indeed, a little lie
by 6c1452 on Fri 25th Jul 2008 04:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie"
6c1452 Member since:
2007-08-29

I'll bite. Aside from media production and running high-end games, name one thing you can't do.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of an operating system requiring 2 (or even 1) GB to work properly. What does it do that requires that amount of memory?

Not bashing vista here -- never used it, no opinion, and yes, ram is cheap. I'm just... puzzled.

Edited 2008-07-25 04:50 UTC

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RE[3]: Indeed, a little lie
by Laurence on Fri 25th Jul 2008 07:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Righto, complaining 1gb of ram isnt enough is a very weak argument, I cant do much of anything in Linux or windows on a machine with that little of ram.

Its not 8 years ago people, wake up and buy some ram, its cheap! REAL cheap.


That's absolute rubbish. XP runs just fine on 512MB RAM (I've even got audio sequencers and real time VJ packagers running on a 512MB XP machine).
My works XP machine runs even less RAM than that and I have a full array of Oracle database tools and MSOffice running on it.

As for Linux, that was designed to run on very little RAM. I have a file and web server running on 512MB RAM and never once needed to even consider upgrading it.
Granted you probably wouldn't want to run Compiz on a machine that old, but then most of Compiz is just eye-candy rather than genuine interface improvments. Vista wouldn't even load on 512MB RAM even with the eye-candy turned off.

So don't tell me that 1GB isn't enough for XP and Linux when both those OSs /HAD/ to survive on that little RAM not more than 4 years back.

In fact, the only part of your statement that was true was how cheap RAM is, but then I don't see that as an excuse for forced into upgrading because Microsoft release an inefficient OS. It's their cock up and you're telling me I have to foot the bill (regardless of how cheap or expensive that might be).

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RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie
by kaiwai on Fri 25th Jul 2008 07:35 in reply to "RE: Indeed, a little lie"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

[q]Your friend got a new laptop, with only 1gb and that's Microsoft's fault how? Several things here - most onboard laptop video cards are weaker than wet cardboard. 1gb of RAM? XP struggled with that in all honesty, and you expect Vista to happily crawl along with that?

Let me spell-it-out-for-you - how about friggen blaming the damn well laptop manufacturer for being a tightass and ONLY giving 1gb of RAM? [/quote]

Microsoft gives out the 'compatible with Windows Vista' logo - it is based on what Microsoft demands the system to have before it can get the logo. There is nothing stopping Microsoft from upping the specifications and thus force the companies to increase the default amount of memory installed.

Microsoft could tomorrow, if they wanted, up the minimum specifications for Windows Vista compatible to 2GB if they wanted. The problem is that they're sucking on the OEM tit rather than being honest with their customer base and saying, "Windows Vista has higher system requirements, and in fairness, anything less than 2GB, the system will run like crap". The only people who would piss and moan would be the OEM's.

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RE[3]: Indeed, a little lie
by melkor on Fri 25th Jul 2008 23:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

True, but what is stopping the new potential owner from actually getting off their backsides and doing some research and getting a laptop that ships with 2gb? It's not hard. It goes back to my earlier comments in many posts that far too many people are using computers who should simply not be allowed to do so. I hear horror tales every single day in my job, and nearly all of them caused by customer stupidity. They make life hard for themselves, and a lack of computer education (or, as in most cases, no interest in learning more about computers), means that this will remain so.

Sure, Microsoft does have the vista certified logo, and they have been naughty there, I agree.

Dave

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RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie
by hollovoid on Fri 25th Jul 2008 13:11 in reply to "RE: Indeed, a little lie"
hollovoid Member since:
2005-09-21

Eh no use man, they will bash windows because they can. Most of em piping in even admitting to never "upgrading" to Vista, and relying on heresay. I think it bothers them so deeply that some people do like it so badly that they have to bury and hide comments to the contrary of they're opinion.

I use linux, and vista, and love them both. They both do what I want them to do. I researched and purchased my hardware to coincide with my software use. Most people dont, and want to be angry when it blows up on them. Then others think your being unrealistic when you say that requirements are they way they are.

The world exists outside your computer people, there are many factors that add to memory usage.

Your base install may use 100MB of ram less than another users based on drivers alone. Just because you say "meh my computer has less than 1gb of ram and its fine" equals nothing in the Real world. Most general computer users will find a much higher usage than you and me just because they do not trim things down, and install dozens of programs they don't use but wanted to "try" out.

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RE[3]: Indeed, a little lie
by kaiwai on Fri 25th Jul 2008 22:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Indeed, a little lie"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Eh no use man, they will bash windows because they can. Most of em piping in even admitting to never "upgrading" to Vista, and relying on heresay. I think it bothers them so deeply that some people do like it so badly that they have to bury and hide comments to the contrary of they're opinion.


Many of them have used it though - when you have a demonstration done by a person who knows the system inside and out - they'll know how to make using it appear easy/effortless. How many people have gone to see a product being demonstrated, it appears to be easy, only to find that once you eventually get it home, its alot harder than it looks.

Apple is growing at record pace right now (43% unit growth) - if it were a fear of the unknown or the different interface then Apple wouldn't be growing. If people are happy to leave Windows and learn a totally new system, you really have to ask yourself whether there is merit in the 'loathing' of Windows Vista.

I use linux, and vista, and love them both. They both do what I want them to do. I researched and purchased my hardware to coincide with my software use. Most people dont, and want to be angry when it blows up on them. Then others think your being unrealistic when you say that requirements are they way they are.

The world exists outside your computer people, there are many factors that add to memory usage.

Your base install may use 100MB of ram less than another users based on drivers alone. Just because you say "meh my computer has less than 1gb of ram and its fine" equals nothing in the Real world. Most general computer users will find a much higher usage than you and me just because they do not trim things down, and install dozens of programs they don't use but wanted to "try" out.


True; most importantly, people who are here don't represent mainstreet. People here maybe represent the top 5-10% of society in terms of computer knowledge and understanding. To claim that someone can do all the tweaking and get it working correctly ignores that the 90% of people out there don't have a clue.

They use what is installed on their computer - that is why Symantec want their software to be loaded, it banks on the ignorance of the end user to get scared into purchasing by the tactics of Symantec's warnings when one tries to avoid purchasing or choosing to uninstall it.

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