Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th Jul 2008 22:55 UTC, submitted by Chavez
Windows While Microsoft has only just begun fighting the perception problems surrounding Windows Vista, the company is already thinking and planning way beyond its latest operating system. We all know that Windows 7 will build on top of the foundations laid by Vista, and that it will include a fancy multitouch framework (and a mysterious new taskbar). According to Microsoft, Windows 7 is still on track for January 2010, and in a memo to his employees, CEO Steve Ballmer outlined some interesting new approaches the company might try with Windows 7 - including being just a little more like Apple.
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RE[2]: Open-ness
by thecwin on Sat 26th Jul 2008 00:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Open-ness"
thecwin
Member since:
2006-01-04

ACPI is an example of a terrible specification. It's 600 pages long and contains all sorts of features it probably doesn't need.

Last time I heard, the Microsoft DSDT compiler was also very good at generating DSDTs that could only be interpreted properly by Microsoft operating systems (unlike the Intel one).

Also, if I remember correctly, the DSDTs can specify that certain things should only work on certain operating systems. Since many manufacturers seem to have the idea that Windows is the only OS that supports modern computers, they mark all the ACPI features as requring the OS name to be Windows.

Really, the ACPI spec should be simple and OS independent.

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RE[3]: Open-ness
by kaiwai on Sat 26th Jul 2008 01:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Open-ness"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

ACPI is an example of a terrible specification. It's 600 pages long and contains all sorts of features it probably doesn't need.

Last time I heard, the Microsoft DSDT compiler was also very good at generating DSDTs that could only be interpreted properly by Microsoft operating systems (unlike the Intel one).

Also, if I remember correctly, the DSDTs can specify that certain things should only work on certain operating systems. Since many manufacturers seem to have the idea that Windows is the only OS that supports modern computers, they mark all the ACPI features as requring the OS name to be Windows.

Really, the ACPI spec should be simple and OS independent.


True, which is the great thing with Apple - they do their own firmware, and they seem to get the stuff working correctly without too many problems - which the benefit of controlling the whole widget.

Quite frankly, I'd sooner see each distribution owned by an OEM, and seeing the OEM customising their hardware and distribution so that they work together seamlessly. A single focus on their hardware alone so that no compromises are made for the 'greater compatibility' outside their own hardware line.

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RE[4]: Open-ness
by hobgoblin on Sat 26th Jul 2008 01:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Open-ness"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

anyone else getting flashbacks to stories about unix fragmenting into 1001 slightly incompatible variants?

sure, the gpl licence should stop most of that, but if so, why the hell even bother...

and on the topic of ACPI:
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/25/1150218

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RE[4]: Open-ness
by danieldk on Sat 26th Jul 2008 10:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Open-ness"
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

Quite frankly, I'd sooner see each distribution owned by an OEM, and seeing the OEM customising their hardware and distribution so that they work together seamlessly.


Yes, let's go back to the eighties and make incompatible variations for feature differentiation! How does that help anyone? (Arguably, the eee has already gone this path,and this is why many people eventually replace the severely limited customized Xandros distribution.)

Edited 2008-07-26 10:19 UTC

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RE[4]: Open-ness
by neozeed on Sat 26th Jul 2008 17:14 in reply to "RE[3]: Open-ness"
neozeed Member since:
2006-03-03

That reminds me of the Japanese machines of yore.....

I don't recall it working out that well though.

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