Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st Jul 2008 22:03 UTC
Legal There are probably lots and lots of lawsuits going on every day in the technology world, and generally, they are quite uninteresting to all of us. Exceptions exist, of course, and the case of Apple and PsyStar is definitely one of them. It's a lawsuit that could test one of the most debated issues in the world of software: the EULA issue. To refresh your memory: PsyStar started offering Macintosh clones earlier this year, which caused quite the uproar in the Mac community. Apple was silent on the issue at first, but a few weeks ago the company decided to take legal action against PsyStar, claiming PsyStar violated Apple's copyright and license agreements (EULAs), and motivated others to do the same. While several legal experts agree that Apple's EULA will stand the test of court in The Netherlands, the situation in the US might be completely different. PsyStar seems prepared for the worst, as they have hired lawyers from Carr & Ferrell LLP, a firm who successfully fought Apple in court over IP issues before. I'm breaking out the popcorn, because this is hopefully going to be a big one.
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Interesting
by StephenBeDoper on Thu 31st Jul 2008 22:42 UTC
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2005-07-06

I doubt it will do much to determine the legality of EULAs in general - but it probably will have an impact on the enforceability of "software A must be run only on hardware B" clauses in EULAs. And as someone pointed out in a recent thread on the topic, it will probably also have implications for Microsoft's "no virtualization for Vista" EULA terms.

Personally, I hope Pystar wins. Can anyone imagine the uproar if E.g. Sony started including EULAs with Sony Music releases - stating that you must use Sony hardware for playback? Apple's hardware "lock-in" policies are no different (with the possible exception that there are people who actually want Apple's product).

As the saying goes, "if you can't stand the heat, then keep your OS the hell off commodity hardware."

Edited 2008-07-31 22:48 UTC

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RE: Interesting
by Ford Prefect on Thu 31st Jul 2008 22:48 in reply to "Interesting"
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2006-01-16

Sony already does exactly that already. Forbidding to copy the music to any other media and enforcing that with "copy protection" is even more than that. Just think about a mobile mp3 player. It is not allowed to copy a "copy protected" CD to that device to enable it playing it.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by StephenBeDoper on Fri 1st Aug 2008 04:13 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
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2005-07-06

. Can anyone imagine the uproar if E.g. Sony started including EULAs with Sony Music releases - stating that you must use Sony hardware for playback?

"Sony already does exactly that already.

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CDs released by Sony music are only playable in Sony playback hardware? And/or the CDs come with licenses that attempt to enforce those restrictions? That's news to me.

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RE: Interesting
by Kroc on Thu 31st Jul 2008 23:10 in reply to "Interesting"
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2005-11-10

If Psystar win, it will not mean that Apple has to make OS X work on other hardware. In fact, nothing will change at all.

_all_ it will mean is that _if_ you can get OS X working on other hardware, you can. There is nothing about this legal case that means Apple have to suddenly magically help you and make it easy.

Apple will not defend on EULA terms, it's irrelevant. They will attack on another basis, such as illegally re-using the OSX86 hacker's code and/or DMCA for modifying Apple's binaries.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by Googol on Thu 31st Jul 2008 23:21 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

what's with the stretch you're making..? No one ever claimed this. People want to run OSX on other hardware, Apple doesn't - and this is being tested now. "Apple having to help anyone" is derived from smoking your own crack... no-one needs Apple's help as it is being done without their help already this very moment.

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RE: Interesting
by orestes on Fri 1st Aug 2008 13:47 in reply to "Interesting"
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2005-07-06

The simplest, if quite drastic, solution from Apple's end is to stop selling OS X altogether. Move it into a service based model with the purchase of any Mac. It'd be more in line with Apple's actual business model and might just serve as a swift kick in the balls to the warez kiddies if they did it right...

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RE: Interesting
by wriggie on Sat 2nd Aug 2008 22:41 in reply to "Interesting"
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2008-08-02

I think the point of Apple's EULA has a lot to do with consistent quality to the user experience. The relationship between Apple hardware and software is what keeps the overall user base happy and loyal- if OS X were to get licensed to any PC it would also need to be supported by Apple. Not because it's an absolute requirement for an OS maker (Microsoft proves it's possible to sell an OS and not give a damn if it doesn't work with your hardware) but because a bad OS X experience brought about by a generic PC would poison the software groundwater. That's why they don't even support Leopard on some of their own hardware. It'll run below the official requirements sure, but the user experience is compromised.

For Mac users there has been and always will be a cohesiveness to computing. It's a complete experience. Apple isn't perfect, but in most cases they have your back. Microsoft is an engine producer that doesn't know much about how to make cars. Apple understands that if any part of your car is of poor quality it will greatly effect your overall experience. Therefore they make or control everything in their cars.

Also, Apple doesn't want to replace Microsoft. Not by simply letting anyone run with half of their product (the OS is PART of the hardware-software package, not some standalone thing) The market share will grow for Linux and OS X because as computing becomes more complicated, and connected to all manner of equipment, people are going to get sick of Windows just not working. with their phones, or cameras, or whatever else crashes Vista.

The Ferrari engine has no business being wedged into a run-down old Chevy. You might get it to run, but who gets blamed when the Chevy craps out?

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RE[2]: Interesting
by netpython on Sun 3rd Aug 2008 14:09 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
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2005-07-06

A ferrari engine isn't durable. And has a horrible high TCO.

Edited 2008-08-03 14:10 UTC

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