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IBM After 10 years of supporting Linux, IBM continues to challenge Microsoft on multiple fronts and aims to push Linux even further into the enterprise. While IBM has competed and partnered with Microsoft over the last two decades, the Microsoft-free PC effort is perhaps its most direct assault yet. "The idea of Microsoft-free personal computing has been in the air for a while," Inna Kuznetsova, director of Linux at IBM, told InternetNews.com. "We're just partnering with Linux distribution vendors and hardware vendors to make it happen."
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RE[3]: Now maybe....
by luzr on Wed 6th Aug 2008 19:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Now maybe...."
luzr
Member since:
2005-11-20

If adobe made a linux version of photoshop I think lots of distros would try to make it to run on their distro. one version with a specified set of ''needs'' is all it takes. (?)


Actually, IMO, this is the possible way.

Somebody will produce *IMPORTANT* application for some distro (e.g. Ubuntu), but only for that specific distro.

Such application will become compatibility etalon. All other distros will need to support it, which in fact is relatively very easy. And problem is solved.

In fact, I believe and hope something like this will happen really soon...

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RE[4]: Now maybe....
by darknexus on Thu 7th Aug 2008 03:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Now maybe...."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Actually, IMO, this is the possible way.

Somebody will produce *IMPORTANT* application for some distro (e.g. Ubuntu), but only for that specific distro.

Such application will become compatibility etalon. All other distros will need to support it, which in fact is relatively very easy. And problem is solved.

In fact, I believe and hope something like this will happen really soon...

And this is exactly the problem I'm talking about. An ISV produces some software, let's go with Ubuntu for example. Now personally, I hate Ubuntu and don't want to use it. So I want to install it on Slackware. However it depends on Ubuntu's libraries, both names and versions, requiring me to hack around to make it work. This is not compatibility, this is mandatory, reactionary hacking for any other distro that wants to support the application in question. This is a simptom of the bigger problems (no standard ABI being the issue here), and is hardly the way to solve compatibility issues. If this happens enough, every distro will become a cluttered mess of hacks to make applications for every other distro work. As if the mess isn't big enough already. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this whole distro mentality needs to stop. Make a standard, call it Linux, or GNU/Linux, or whatever you want. Make that standard the consistent target, and tell the ISVs to port to Linux, meaning this new standard distro. If it'll make you feel better, have a couple of standard distros for desktop and server needs. And since Linux is open, nothing's stopping anyone else from making a distro if they really want to, it just won't be the standard Linux. And, before someone asks, this is not what the LSB is trying to do. The LSB is trying to come up with a standard that all distros can follow. i'm advocating dropping the distro model entirely. And you know what? If the Linux community can't get its act together I think its time to start seriously targeting one of the BSD platforms, or Solaris. There's consistency for you, since they're actual operating systems, not a kernel and a userland thrown together in a million different ways. FreeBSD is always FreeBSD, NetBSD is always NetBSD, and Solaris... you guessed it. Perhaps the effort should go into making the various *BSD systems more desktop friendly. Or, perhaps more efficient, focus on Solaris as it's already pretty well along in that area with a sound kernel and ABI, and standards you can expect to be followed throughout the system in each major version, and usually the versions after that as well.. The only real impediment Solaris is facing is the lack of a lot of drivers for some relatively common hardware, but even that's improving. If I had to put my money on which UNIX will eventually be ready for average joe's desktop, I'd put my bet on Solaris.
Now, I suppose I get to sit back and watch all the freetards flame me. Fair warning, all flames 2>&1 /dev/null. Or if you prefer the short hand, all flames >& /dev/null.

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RE[5]: Now maybe....
by lemur2 on Thu 7th Aug 2008 04:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Now maybe...."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

And this is exactly the problem I'm talking about. An ISV produces some software, let's go with Ubuntu for example. Now personally, I hate Ubuntu and don't want to use it. So I want to install it on Slackware. However it depends on Ubuntu's libraries, both names and versions, requiring me to hack around to make it work.


Wrong.

http://www.varicad.com/en/home/products/requirements/

There are any number of closed-source commercial applications (such as the one linked above as an example) that have no problem whatsoever.

Pray tell, where is there any word at all about what distribution you must have in the "System requirements" for the Linux version of the indicated example product?

All that you require is a recent enough version of some common libraries installed. This is dead easy to check with your package manager.

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RE[5]: Now maybe....
by DrillSgt on Thu 7th Aug 2008 06:45 in reply to "RE[4]: Now maybe...."
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"And this is exactly the problem I'm talking about. An ISV produces some software, let's go with Ubuntu for example. Now personally, I hate Ubuntu and don't want to use it. So I want to install it on Slackware. However it depends on Ubuntu's libraries, both names and versions, requiring me to hack around to make it work. This is not compatibility, this is mandatory, reactionary hacking for any other distro that wants to support the application in question."

I have never seen this problem running many commercial applications for Linux. Parallels, VMWare, CrossOver Office, Doom 3, etc. Those applications run on any distro without complaint and without any special work around. I am not saying it doesn't exist, as it may. I just have never seen it.

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RE[4]: Now maybe.... - open standards
by jabbotts on Thu 7th Aug 2008 17:07 in reply to "RE[3]: Now maybe...."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

The preference for open standards and user freedom instead of lock-in would probably keep any one distribution from being the only way to run a program.

There could be some licensing agreements like VMware's ESX not being officially supported unless on a RHEL system. I don't see any technical limitation that would force acceptance though.

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