Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Fri 15th Aug 2008 05:18 UTC
Linux InformationWeek is speculating on how Linux will change in the next four years. "By 2012 the OS will have matured into three basic usage models. Web-based apps rule, virtualization is a breeze, and command-line hacking for basic system configuration is a thing of the past."
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RE[3]: *shrugs*
by spinjax on Fri 15th Aug 2008 14:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: *shrugs*"
spinjax
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2006-12-12

While I agree with nearly everything you say regarding MTP, after all the MTP protocol[at least 1.0] was submitted to the USB forum, with extensions being published by MS.

The issue I've ran into supporting MTP devices in a project I work on in my spare time has been many MTP devices don't actually work conform to the MTP specs, they do a half-baked implementation and you end up doing all kinds of device specific work just to support it. With PTP there hasn't been an insane amount of deviation from the protocol, but extensions, AFAIK, haven't been added to PTP to allow/require DRM, which is where MTP gets messy on some devices.

user mode/ring 3 drivers are indeed common on every platform of major usage these days. People who argue that point need to actually write drivers for a living for a bit and they will quickly see how often things are pushed up to user land. The least amount of access a driver has to the rest of the system, the better IMHO.

fan boys..

Sadly every platform these days seems to have them[vocal idiots], and many are so darn blind they can't see the good in something that is not their product-of-the-month they worship.

*doh: didn't realise you can't add mod points after commenting. oh well. ;)

Edited 2008-08-15 14:09 UTC

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RE[4]: *shrugs*
by kaiwai on Fri 15th Aug 2008 16:15 in reply to "RE[3]: *shrugs*"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

While I agree with nearly everything you say regarding MTP, after all the MTP protocol[at least 1.0] was submitted to the USB forum, with extensions being published by MS.

The issue I've ran into supporting MTP devices in a project I work on in my spare time has been many MTP devices don't actually work conform to the MTP specs, they do a half-baked implementation and you end up doing all kinds of device specific work just to support it. With PTP there hasn't been an insane amount of deviation from the protocol, but extensions, AFAIK, haven't been added to PTP to allow/require DRM, which is where MTP gets messy on some devices.


You're right there - a prime example would be the Sansa from Sandisk whose firmware is horrendiously buggy and unreliable - however, the Creative players seem to be more reliable. Too bad the implementation of MTP/PTP aren't cleanly portable to non-Linux platforms.


fan boys..

Sadly every platform these days seems to have them[vocal idiots], and many are so darn blind they can't see the good in something that is not their product-of-the-month they worship.

*doh: didn't realise you can't add mod points after commenting. oh well. ;)


Unfortunately so. There are issues with MacOS X, there are issues with Windows Vista - but lord help someone who *DARES* show that Linux isn't 100% perfect and without fault. I keep pushing and pushing, harassing and harassing over Linux because I hope that one day Linux users will pull their head out of their collective behind and remember that Linux is an operating system - not a way of life, it is written by humans and thus have faults, and perish the bloody thought - not everyone is going to find it suitable for what they want to achieve.

It is all about being a grown up, something Linux advocates on this website seem to have a big problem dealing with - you certainly don't see the same sort of zealotry coming out of the *BSD or OpenSolaris camp to the same degree.

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