Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Sep 2008 08:52 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems When China launched its first microprocessor, the Godson 1 in 2002, it wasn't much of a competitor to what Intel and AMD had to offer. The 64bit Godson 2, released in 2005, still didn't worry the Western chip makers, but the chip did start to pop up here and there outside of China. Expect to see a lot more of them in the coming years, as the Godson 3 promises to be a chip that can compete head on with the big ones: quad-core, eight core version in the pipeline, and 200 extra instructions aiding in x86 compatibility.
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RE[2]: Bad News
by Yamin on Tue 9th Sep 2008 20:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Bad News"
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There's no problem in our education system. Plenty of Americans and Western people in general are very capable of being engineers and scientists.

The only question is why would they?

It's much easier going into medicine, law, finance, education, business, management... easier and more pay.

I recall from my high school, some of the dumbest kids are just going to the Caribbean for med school. They'll be doctors pulling in 150-200K/year just using the system. All they need to do is pass the USMLE which they get an unlimited number of tries... some have already pased.

Why would anyone, besides the nerdiest people really go into the engineering/software field? They wouldn't. Other fields just pay too damn well. With our aging population, you can bed the health care field is going to get even more lucrative.

You blame George Bush. I blame the democrats for making health care and education pay too well ;) medicare/aid is welfare for doctors. They never made this much more than teachers or engineers before it. There is an adjustment in the world. Our quality of life has to go down. There's is going up. That's just reality.

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RE[3]: Bad News
by rayiner on Tue 9th Sep 2008 23:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad News"
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I disagree that there is no problem with our education system. Pretty much my first year of college was spent undoing the brain-damage that had been done to students in public schools.

That said, I agree with you about the cost/benefit issues of going into engineering. If you're smart and hard-working enough to get through engineering school, then you're smart and hard-working enough to get a good LSAT score and do well in law-school. Considering the pay difference between a good lawyer and a good engineer...

The problem along those particular lines is that engineers themselves haven't protected the value of their profession in the way doctors and lawyers have. Engineers create plenty of value in the economy, but they're quite willing to simply be worker-bees and let their company take most of the value they create. This is true even among very good engineers. There is nothing akin to, for example, the private law segment of the law profession, where partnership allows individual employees to get a stake in their firm. Engineers have allowed their profession to become commoditized, even as the rigorous demands for working in the field have not been reduced.

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RE[4]: Bad News
by Yamin on Wed 10th Sep 2008 00:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Bad News"
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I agree with you 100%.

Engineers could have protected their field through licensing. Then again, we probably wouldn't have had facebook ;) But especially for government, banks, operating systems...

On the other hand, if licensing protection is not your cup of tea, engineers could have at least formed partnerships / employee owned corporations instead of being corporate workerbees.

On the other hand, many engineers miss the 'easier money', to provide a constant stream of money. Google for example makes money off ads and then funnels that into all kinds of projects some of which don't have a direct revenue stream. Imagine if Engineers owned a telecom or something. We could plow the money earned from those into R&D and what not.

Nonetheless, I think we're in agreement here ;)
Suffice to say, my kids aren't going into this field.

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RE[4]: Bad News
by unclefester on Wed 10th Sep 2008 06:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Bad News"
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There is a huge difference between writing software (it ain't engineering BTW) and medicine. A software crash is in most cases no more than a nuisance. The simplest medical 'glitch' is highly likely to result in serious injury or death.

For the most part software architects do not act like engineers. The primary goal of an engineer is to ensure safety and reliability. An engineer (or doctor) can be sued or even imprisoned for negligence. No commercial software writer has that pressure.

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RE[3]: Bad News
by StychoKiller on Sun 14th Sep 2008 04:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad News"
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Medicare/Medicaid is welfare for sick people -- and Doctors are expected to sacrifice the payments due them because these people are entitled to subsidized medical care. If younger people voted in larger numbers than the AARP crowd, Congress would be forced to change the status-quo.

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