Linked by David Adams on Wed 10th Sep 2008 15:43 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
X11, Window Managers It has been one year and four days since X.Org 7.3 was released and a number of months since X.Org 7.4 was supposed to be released, but today X.Org 7.4 is scheduled to finally make it out the door! This release is shipping quite late and with a slimmed down set of features, but in this article we have more details on what this release holds in store for the Linux desktop community and why it may be a short-lived release.
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abraxas
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2005-07-07

"Unfortunately the most exciting technologies that were supposed to be released for Xorg 7.4 were cut from the final release. This is a real disappointment. DRI2, glucose, and randr 1.3 were going to be real visible improvements but we are left with little improvement in the end users eyes with the actual release of 7.4. I have been personally waiting for DRI2 because I have an Intel chip and I use Compiz. EXA perfomance sucks and XAA cannot use XV output without a special plugin for Compiz and a patch for mplayer and then it only works with mplayer. Glucose was going to fill in the gaps between AIGLX and XGL but there hasn't even been any mention of it lately.


The way you tell it makes it sound as though finished features were cut for no good reason. More accurately, these were unfinished features, buggy features, or features that were finished but dependent on unfinished or buggy features. They were left out because they weren't ready for prime time. Period. If the xorg / xserver folks are guilty of anything here, it is perhaps being a bit too optimistic last year! The fact is these guys have done a stupendous job updating and modernizing X for every day use. I can't wait to implement xorg 7.4 and xserver 1.5 on my Debian system. Great job guys!!!
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Great job? How is an incredibly late, feature-cut release great? If MS did something like this people would be howling at the moon. I appreciate the work that has been done but something has to change. The Xorg team has been over promising and under delivering. We need either more realistic time frames or better management. I don't think we have to cheer the developers just because they managed to ship something they deemed "stable", while offering practially none of the benefits touted even 6 months ago nevermind the fact that it was already at least 6 months late then.

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Almindor Member since:
2006-01-16

If you don't like it, help it. You didn't help, so you don't have the right to whine about it (well you do but it doesn't matter really what you say).

This is OSS, not a closed source company. If you PAYED for it then you have "some" right to whine, but not for a free OSS software you don't.

All projects out there need more people who GIVE BACK, something you obviously never heard about.

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

If you don't like it, help it. You didn't help, so you don't have the right to whine about it (well you do but it doesn't matter really what you say).

This is OSS, not a closed source company. If you PAYED for it then you have "some" right to whine, but not for a free OSS software you don't.

All projects out there need more people who GIVE BACK, something you obviously never heard about.


BS. How can you argue that I don't give back when you have NO idea? I do give back, but that's not even the point. Criticism isn't whining. Maybe you enjoy being misled but I don't. There is no reason for either OSS or proprietary software to promise so much and then under deliver several months late regulary. Something is broken. X releases have been problematic forever and someone has to get it straightened out. Projects like GNOME don't seem to have these kinds of problems. GNOME generally has a roadmap that they follow very closely. If something isn't finished in time they postpone the release, but it is never for very long because they haven't promised more than they can deliver. This is acceptable. Xorg releases are not.

It's not like I'm bitching about every little bug that I enounter, demanding that my problems be taken care of first. I just want to know "Where's the beef?". This release went way over schedule because of several new features being added that then weren't added at all and it still took a year! I don't see how anyone can be happy with that even X maintainers. It's a huge disappointment and anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

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FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

Great job? How is an incredibly late, feature-cut release great? If MS did something like this people would be howling at the moon.


Maybe because X.org is *not* MS?

Look at Chrome vs IE8. Both use multiple processes. People treat Chrome like the second coming of Christ, while non rejoice about IE8. And apparently, nobody thinks that this unequal treatment of MS is strange.

So the fact that X.org is not MS is a valid reason for praising them.

And how much were you paying for X.org again? Nothing, I suppose. Why don't you lend a hand, either by contributing code yourself, or by donating money to the developers, or by hiring someone to contribute? Yes yadda yadda open source developers are teh suck and elitist. That doesn't mean that they have to work for you for free, especially when they're already doing their best. If you've paid money for X.org then go complain to your vendor and tell them to assign more people to X.org development.

Yes yadda yadda open source developers are jerks. Nonsense. Nothing's going to change just because you're complaining. It doesn't get work done. *People who write code* get work done. You can complain all about the wolves that are threatening your livestock, but it isn't going to help you until you do something about it.

Edited 2008-09-11 14:59 UTC

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chris_dk Member since:
2005-07-12


And how much were you paying for X.org again? Nothing, I suppose. Why don't you lend a hand, either by contributing code yourself, or by donating money to the developers, or by hiring someone to contribute?


The standard response you see when you critise FOSS.

Fact is: FOSS is free. That doesn't exempt it from critism. Please understand this.

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