Linked by David Adams on Wed 10th Sep 2008 15:43 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
X11, Window Managers It has been one year and four days since X.Org 7.3 was released and a number of months since X.Org 7.4 was supposed to be released, but today X.Org 7.4 is scheduled to finally make it out the door! This release is shipping quite late and with a slimmed down set of features, but in this article we have more details on what this release holds in store for the Linux desktop community and why it may be a short-lived release.
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FooBarWidget
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2005-11-11

Yes most people want something that just works. Most people also want to be rich. Do they get it by whining or do they get it by working hard? It doesn't matter what you say about people "not caring". It still doesn't change anything. I can "not care" about how cars work but that doesn't mean I'm allowed to drive in one until I have a drivers license. They can "not care" all they want, that doesn't mean their demands are reasonable.

Heck, I can even say that I don't care who you are or whether you are a programmer, and that I expect you to deliver a full desktop environment to me within 6 months, for free. Will you listen to me if I said that? If not, then how can you possibly expect others to listen to you? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Why are you complaining to the free workers? Complain to the paid vendors, i.e. RedHat, Canonical, etc. from whom you have bought a support contract. They are the commercial companies here. If you want to complain like a customer, complain to the vendors.

You take open source for granted. You expect more and more free work from open source developers, and if anything isn't to your liking, you flame them. Why are you wasting your time doing all this? Is it because you don't want to pay for a proprietary system? Heck, even most actual users aren't that ungrateful. They usually say something along the lines of

"hey could you implement this and that? that would be awesome. but I understand that you have your own life and that you're probably busy, so if you can't or can't do it immediately then that's cool"

And surprise - developers usually listen to these people. For some reason, you, and many other OSNewsers and Slashdotters, feel the need to act ungrateful, and when developers don't listen to you, you blame them. Hello, what happened to simple social skills?
I'm not arguing about the merits of open source. I'm talking about your attitude to people.

Edited 2008-09-12 08:03 UTC

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Wrawrat Member since:
2005-06-30

You take open source for granted. You expect more and more free work from open source developers, and if anything isn't to your liking, you flame them. Why are you wasting your time doing all this? Is it because you don't want to pay for a proprietary system?


What? Not only I'm using proprietary systems, but I have collaborated with open-source developers. Aren't you a little bit quick to judge?

And surprise - developers usually listen to these people. For some reason, you, and many other OSNewsers and Slashdotters, feel the need to act ungrateful, and when developers don't listen to you, you blame them. Hello, what happened to simple social skills?


Yeah, that's a really good question. Why the hell are you flaming me? I'm just reporting how it is and you flame me like some medieval witch.

I'm going to say it again: most people don't want to get involved in the development process of the software they are using, they just want to use it. Asking them to "do something to fix the problem" instead of whining and complaining is unrealistic. It happens that I have the expertise, the time and the will to contribute, but I am fully aware that most people don't. No more, no less.

Hey, I'm not saying that whining is the way to go, but it's something that happens and have to live with it, unless you want to stay in an ivory tower.

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FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

What? Not only I'm using proprietary systems, but I have collaborated with open-source developers. Aren't you a little bit quick to judge?
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Yeah, that's a really good question. Why the hell are you flaming me? I'm just reporting how it is and you flame me like some medieval witch.


Fine, I'm sorry. That said, there are a lot of people out there who are like that. The conversation usually goes like this:
Person A> feature X is missing
Developer> sorry, haven't got the resources to do it right now. but if you hire me I'll give this job more priority
Person A> WTF? (logs off and goes looking for a torrent of $2000 commercial package)

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

You take open source for granted. You expect more and more free work from open source developers,


How's the weather back in 1998, FooBarWidget? I hear that back then all the FOSS devs were working for free in their spare time, instead of posting their patches from intel.com, redhat.com, ibm.com, novell.com, and fortune100.com addresses, and collecting paychecks for it. The "you're all just a bunch of freeloader parasites sponging off of altruistic developers working for free" argument went out with the 90s. Guess what? X.org isn't autopackage.

Edited 2008-09-12 18:13 UTC

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FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

I hear that back then all the FOSS devs were working for free in their spare time, instead of posting their patches from intel.com, redhat.com, ibm.com, novell.com, and fortune100.com addresses, and collecting paychecks for it. The "you're all just a bunch of freeloader parasites sponging off of altruistic developers working for free" argument went out with the 90s.


You would be right if all, or at least most of them are actually collecting paychecks. How come the guy who posted the xserver announcement doesn't have an address from a fortune 100 company? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-September/038187.ht...
I see many more developers who aren't working on the project professionally. Maybe even today, a significant portion of the developers aren't getting paid for working on open source?

And yet open source developers are often criticized for scratching their own itch. How is that possible if most or all open source developers these days are paid? Apparently most open source developers are only paid when it's convenient to claim that?

Guess what? X.org isn't autopackage.


I haven't worked on autopackage for years, so that has got nothing to with it.

Edited 2008-09-12 18:52 UTC

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