Linked by David Adams on Fri 12th Sep 2008 16:34 UTC, submitted by irbis
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth announced Wednesday that his company, Canonical, will hire professional designers and interaction experts to improve the usability of the Linux desktop software ecosystem. They will work closely with upstream developers to bring a better experience to users of the open source operating system.
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MacMan
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2006-11-19

If you use applications ONLY from synaptic, then you do not have to edit .desktop files, but try to use an app that is NOT on synaptic, such as eclipse 3.4 (yes I know eclipse 3.2 is on synaptic, but I need 3.4).

And yes, I had to edit .desktop files just to get a menu item. On the Mac, I just drag it to the dock, thats it.

I think Linux in general really needs a some standard way of dealing with applications, I think it is nuts for someone to write an app, then have to wait for the package maintainers to create a package for distro 'x'.


And no, this is NOT a troll, I like Linux, I just point out some flaws that annoy me. This I think is the other fundamental problem with Linux in general, if everyone does not agree with some comment 100%, then they are trolls. This attitude has to go. Face it people, nothing is perfect, not MacOS, and not even Linux believe it or not.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

If you use applications ONLY from synaptic, then you do not have to edit .desktop files, but try to use an app that is NOT on synaptic, such as eclipse 3.4 (yes I know eclipse 3.2 is on synaptic, but I need 3.4).

As long as third parties insist upon using installation methods outside of the normal mechanism for the OS, in this case the Debian family, it won't integrate well with the OS. If Eclipse is not using debs and rpms it should.

Unzip an archive into a directory in Windows and then look for the program in the start menu. Doesn't work. Obviously Microsoft needs a better way to install apps before it can go mainstream, right?

It's 2008 and dumping a tar ball onto an ftp server should not be considered a proper "release" for OSes which are supposedly supported. It would be preferable if they put the release into a standard or 3rd party repo, so that security updates could be automated. But if they choose not to, a deb would do just fine. But they cannot operate completely outside of the distro's application management framework and expect seemless operation. Duh?

Application providers need to use what is freaking out there for them to use and has been for years and years.

Edited 2008-09-15 13:52 UTC

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anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

As long as third parties insist upon using installation methods outside of the normal mechanism for the OS, in this case the Debian family, it won't integrate well with the OS. If Eclipse is not using debs and rpms it should.


It still doesn't explain why he had to edit a .desktop file.
The only reason I can imagine is that the .desktop file as shipped with this new version of Eclipse was broken, but a broken installer will fail on any platform.

It really doesn't matter in which way the software has been packaged or how it was installed as long as the content of the package are correct and don't have to be edited after the installation.

But they cannot operate completely outside of the distro's application management framework and expect seemless operation. Duh?

Well, menu integration does work even when using a third party installation method.
In the case at hand it didn't work because the software bundle itself was faulty (had to be manually changed to become correct)

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