Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Mon 15th Sep 2008 20:43 UTC, submitted by Alexander Yerenkow
PC-BSD This release marks a milestone for PC-BSD, by moving to the latest FreeBSD 7-Stable and also incorporating the KDE 4.1.1 desktop. Users will immediately notice the improved visual interface that KDE 4.1.1 offers, as well as a large improvement in hardware support and speed from the update to FreeBSD 7-Stable. PC-BSD 7 also offers a large and growing library of self-contained PBI files available for installation, and improvments for other locales on our PBI Directory website. This release also offers new methods of installation, including a DVD, USB and Internet/network install. Note: Here is an interview with the lead developer of PC-BSD.
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RE: PC-BSD
by pepa on Tue 16th Sep 2008 09:36 UTC in reply to "PC-BSD"
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2005-07-08

I prefer Gnome over KDE, so I am not attracted to using BSD on the Desktop. Why are they all using KDE? Is it the same reason as Slackware??

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RE[2]: PC-BSD
by dnebdal on Tue 16th Sep 2008 10:40 in reply to "RE: PC-BSD"
dnebdal Member since:
2008-08-27

Well, KDE had more users last time I saw any numbers, so if you want to chose one it seems sort of sensible. It's also fairly simple to build - gnome is a tangled web of packages in comparison.

I guess the real answer is somewhere between those two and "personal preference of the leading people". ;)

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RE[2]: PC-BSD
by grfgguvf on Tue 16th Sep 2008 13:44 in reply to "RE: PC-BSD"
grfgguvf Member since:
2006-09-25

I don't know specifically, but there are two conflicting issues.

First, GNOME is the "GNU Network Object whatever". BSD people hate GNU because the viral nature of the GPL license, generally incompetent coding of GNU software (of which not much remains in use, GLIBC is now developed by skilled developers from Red Hat, same for GCC). Still, BSD developed it's own tar implementation, own readline, etc...

Second, BSD users prefer "stable" systems. Whatever that means, actually Linux is also very stable, however KDE crashed a lot for me, while GNOME never does. So the choice of KDE in this regard seems odd, but probably the GNU-hate wins.

Difficulty of building is not really an issue, GNOME does run fine on FreeBSD, there is a port and all. Also a freebsd gnome project.

About the KDE vs GNOME user count, it's bullshit. Xandros or whoever singed deals with various governments for school PC preinstalled software, so theoretically 500 million schoolkids in Nigeria and Brazil use KDE or whatever. Umm... I have my doubts about them still choosing KDE if they had a choice, especially the translations of GNOME tend to be much higher quality (Except for German), and Qt has crappy handling for Asian scripts......

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RE[3]: PC-BSD
by Doc Pain on Tue 16th Sep 2008 14:30 in reply to "RE[2]: PC-BSD"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

BSD people hate GNU [...]


I don't this BSD people hate GNU, it just isn't their philosophy. The BSD license, in some cases more free than the GNU one, is often called a "rape me license". BSD developers attempt to have a consistent base OS, related to this fact you mentioned:

Still, BSD developed it's own tar implementation, own readline, etc...


They do this in order to get the base OS completely BSD licensable.

Second, BSD users prefer "stable" systems.


As well as in the Linux world, in the BSD world there are those who run servers for long time production where you cannot afford to toy around with sub-alpha releases of anything someone might be interested in. Instead, you pay attention to security updates of the OS and your applications and don't touch anything else. Then, there are the enthusiasts who try the "bleeding edge" software. They are a big help to the developers bringing KDE 4 to a stable state.

I have my doubts about them still choosing KDE if they had a choice, especially the translations of GNOME tend to be much higher quality (Except for German), and Qt has crappy handling for Asian scripts......


Because I'm from Germany, I'm always very interested in the language quality of a KDE or Gnome translation. My experience is that Gnome's translation is better than KDE's. But most Germans won't notice because we've got a high rate of c*ntional illitracy here. Germans are scared when they see an error message in KDE, especially when it's in English.

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RE[3]: PC-BSD
by DeadFishMan on Tue 16th Sep 2008 16:30 in reply to "RE[2]: PC-BSD"
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2006-01-09

About the KDE vs GNOME user count, it's bullshit. Xandros or whoever singed deals with various governments for school PC preinstalled software, so theoretically 500 million schoolkids in Nigeria and Brazil use KDE or whatever. Umm... I have my doubts about them still choosing KDE if they had a choice, especially the translations of GNOME tend to be much higher quality (Except for German), and Qt has crappy handling for Asian scripts......


It is not bullshit. At least not here in Brazil. For some strange reason that I cannot quite understand, Slackware - and thus, KDE - used to be very popular here on Brazil (based on what one can see on the Linux-related websites here) before Ubuntu came to rise in popularity.

The leading distros on Brazil - Mandriva and Kurumin - are all KDE based and the localization is for all practical intents and purposes a non-issue as Conectiva had done a heck of a good job already translating Linux to portuguese prior to the Mandriva acquisition. I would say that KDE probably enjoys a better localization here than GNOME.

Kurumin is so popular that has spawned a lot of spin-offs - itself being a Knoppix spin-off - and all of them KDE based. About the only time that we hear about GNOME is because of the Ubuntu hype and occasionally because of a local distro based on Debian called DreamLinux that kinda mixes GNOME's with Mac looks and has been receiving some good reviews, including sites like Linux.com.

Ubuntu is huge where I work: pretty much everyone that I know that uses Linux likes it, except myself (more of a Debian/KDE person) and the odd Fluxbox user here and there. But every time that we see Linux making the headlines here as something intended to be used by the public at large, which is kinda rare still and I haven't seem many personally, it seems to be a large KDE deployment - probably because of the Windows look-and-feel that people keep talking about.

If you believe what the fanboys say on Linux websites, you would be led to believe that everybody and their dogs are using Ubuntu here, as *buntu fanboys tend to be the loudest but make no mistake: it is not nearly as popular as people say it is. KDE probably still has the upper hand here but GNOME is rapidly getting there, due mostly to Ubuntu's success.

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