Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Sep 2008 19:09 UTC
We all know that Windows 7 is on its way, planned for release somewhere late 2009 or early 2010. We already know it will have a multitouch framework, no major kernel and/or driver framework changes, and a new taskbar people at Microsoft are not supposed to talk about right now. The firs two milestone releases didn't appear to be very exciting, but now there is - supposedly - a milestone 3 (build 6780) release, and there is a screenshot, and more information on UI changes. According to Microsoft blogger Stephen Chapman, the ribbon will make its way to Windows 7.
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This actually gives me hope.
The Ribbon is the first seriously long, hard look at the whole concept of the WIMP interface in 20 years.
The Ribbon is the first seriously long, hard look at the whole concept of the WIMP interface in 20 years.
Agreed. I was waiting for a moment when someone would finally come up with an alternative to the jungle that is menu's and toolbars. The problem is that the old way of doing things just isn't scalable - or worse, what happens is that the end user assumes that the feature doesn't exist but it does - but hidden behind layers of menus.
The Office team managed to remove the menu, entirely, from one of the worst possible programs that you could have taken as an example. Office had hundreds of menus, approaching a hundred toolbars - it would be the equivalent of redesigning Photoshop to have no menu or toolbars, or Maya, or 3D Studio Max. That is the level of complexity they had to approach, and succeeded.
The Ribbon is proven by user testing to be better. The only users who suffer with it are, guess who, indignant old users who prefer the old model and are unwilling to adapt. It's like MFC runs through their veins..
The Ribbon is proven by user testing to be better. The only users who suffer with it are, guess who, indignant old users who prefer the old model and are unwilling to adapt. It's like MFC runs through their veins..
When one talks to the 'little people' - the real people out there who use Microsoft software, day in and day out; they're bloody happy with the new interface. The only people who hate it are those self appointed 'power users' - I'm sure you've seen them in businesses, a mouse with 1000 buttons, thinks they're computer genius's because they remember 100 short cuts off by heart.
For me, I've got Office 2008 on my Mac, and the ribbon work has even found its way in (to some degree) their Office 2008 for Mac - and believe me, having used all the versions prior, it makes a HUGE difference when it comes to usability.
Using the ribbon for 7 gives me hope it might just make Windows functionality up-front and accessible to all users.
I want to see the WHOLE interface WPF based and using Ribbon everywhere. I want one consistent user experience right through out the operating system rather than the a hodgepodge of the different UI experiences so far with the the current operating systems.
Edited 2008-09-18 21:19 UTC
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I want to see the WHOLE interface WPF based and using Ribbon everywhere. I want one consistent user experience right through out the operating system rather than the a hodgepodge of the different UI experience so far with the the current operating systems.
I think that is most people's problem/issue with Ribbons and Office 2007. It's the first time they've seen them and they don't see them in any other program. Using more ribbons and providing a more consistent interface will probably grab ribbons the reputation it deserves. I'm not really a big fan of ribbons, I like clicking on menus and toolbar buttons, but I imagine I'm in the minority.
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For me, I've got Office 2008 on my Mac, and the ribbon work has even found its way in (to some degree) their Office 2008 for Mac - and believe me, having used all the versions prior, it makes a HUGE difference when it comes to usability.
Office on the Mac uses a variation on the UI concepts Apple introduced with AppleWorks YEARS ago, and that they now use in their iWork suite. There is a (collapsable) horizontal mini-ribbon with commonly accessed functions, but there is also a floating, tabbed, auto expanding, context based, VERTICAL "ribbon" palette, which is what I see many people asking for here.
The difference is they also left the unobtrusive menu in place for all those dinosaurs who just want to get on with the job when they get their shiny new app...
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This actually gives me hope.
The Ribbon is the first seriously long, hard look at the whole concept of the WIMP interface in 20 years.
The Ribbon is the first seriously long, hard look at the whole concept of the WIMP interface in 20 years.
True.
The Office team managed to remove the menu, entirely, from one of the worst possible programs that you could have taken as an example. Office had hundreds of menus, approaching a hundred toolbars - it would be the equivalent of redesigning Photoshop to have no menu or toolbars, or Maya, or 3D Studio Max. That is the level of complexity they had to approach, and succeeded.
Perhaps true in complexity level. I don't think they necessarily succeeded in every aspect yet though...
The Ribbon is proven by user testing to be better. The only users who suffer with it are, guess who, indignant old users who prefer the old model and are unwilling to adapt. It's like MFC runs through their veins.
No, I adapt quite well. For example, I really can't stand MFC and love Qt. I'm also eagerly awaiting KDE4; and primarily use OpenOffice.
I have also used Office 2007, and it drives me nuts. My wife (who had to use it at her last jobs) love it; but I much prefer the older UI as it actually had things that made sense and were practical. I don't like have to scroll through numerous tabs just to find the one function that was easily accessible before.
Fortunately, I'll be able to install Office 2007 SP1 on her laptop too, and then she'll be able to natively use ODF again.
Using the ribbon for 7 gives me hope it might just make Windows functionality up-front and accessible to all users.
Windows is far from being "up-front and accessible to all users" any more. Yes, they are still one of the few that support both keyboard & mouse out-of-the-box (short-cuts, etc.); but they're fast falling behind. The requirements of Vista show that very well.
Now, if they managed to get Win7 to have an default install-base of < 200 MB (with GUI and basic applications), improve performance, etc. then I'll be impressed.
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The problem is that MS will not force app developers (be it 1st or 3rd party) to use Ribbon eg by removing the classic toolbar implementations (there are several part of Windows already). This means that the Windows GUI will be further diversified. Some apps use the toolbar implementation that first shipped with Win95, others use the toolbar that's also available since IE4, other's use Window.Forms from .NET, and many other are using custom widgets (Firefox, OpenOffice, MS Office, WordPerfect Office, Photoshop,...).
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2005-11-10
This actually gives me hope.
The Ribbon is the first seriously long, hard look at the whole concept of the WIMP interface in 20 years.
The Office team managed to remove the menu, entirely, from one of the worst possible programs that you could have taken as an example. Office had hundreds of menus, approaching a hundred toolbars - it would be the equivalent of redesigning Photoshop to have no menu or toolbars, or Maya, or 3D Studio Max. That is the level of complexity they had to approach, and succeeded.
The Ribbon is proven by user testing to be better. The only users who suffer with it are, guess who, indignant old users who prefer the old model and are unwilling to adapt. It's like MFC runs through their veins.
Using the ribbon for 7 gives me hope it might just make Windows functionality up-front and accessible to all users.
Edited 2008-09-18 20:21 UTC