Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Sep 2008 19:09 UTC
Windows We all know that Windows 7 is on its way, planned for release somewhere late 2009 or early 2010. We already know it will have a multitouch framework, no major kernel and/or driver framework changes, and a new taskbar people at Microsoft are not supposed to talk about right now. The firs two milestone releases didn't appear to be very exciting, but now there is - supposedly - a milestone 3 (build 6780) release, and there is a screenshot, and more information on UI changes. According to Microsoft blogger Stephen Chapman, the ribbon will make its way to Windows 7.
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Lock-In
by membrain on Fri 19th Sep 2008 02:59 UTC
membrain
Member since:
2008-06-19

For *me*, this smells like a lock-in strategy. Let's get everyone used to Ribbons, so they'll have a hard time working with other UIs elsewhere; from a rational standing point i see no other good reason to do this (the argument of otherwise-just-a-failed-investment doesn't really hold here, because, this is Microsoft, guys, they wouldn't deeply care for a few hundred million lost if they found it's something not worth keeping).

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RE: Lock-In
by edogawaconan on Fri 19th Sep 2008 03:11 in reply to "Lock-In"
edogawaconan Member since:
2006-10-10

or maybe they just prefer using UI they deem better

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RE: Lock-In
by lemur2 on Fri 19th Sep 2008 04:57 in reply to "Lock-In"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

For *me*, this smells like a lock-in strategy. Let's get everyone used to Ribbons, so they'll have a hard time working with other UIs elsewhere; from a rational standing point i see no other good reason to do this (the argument of otherwise-just-a-failed-investment doesn't really hold here, because, this is Microsoft, guys, they wouldn't deeply care for a few hundred million lost if they found it's something not worth keeping).


I'm actually hopeful that this latest attempt at lock-in by Microsoft won't actually work.

http://www.workswithu.com/2008/09/16/can-ubuntu-overcome-the-status...

The more Microsoft change things from one version of Windows/Office to the next, the more capable people become at adjusting to a different thing than what they were used to before.

This works just as well for adjusting to a new OS altogether as it does to adjusting to a new version of Windows.

Paradoxically, going with a non-Windows option that this UI change enables you to at least attempt (you have to learn a new UI anyway, so why not learn a non-Microsoft one?) actually allows you you utterly escape the very lock-in that Microsoft are seeking to entrench.

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RE: Lock-In
by kaiwai on Fri 19th Sep 2008 05:47 in reply to "Lock-In"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

For *me*, this smells like a lock-in strategy. Let's get everyone used to Ribbons, so they'll have a hard time working with other UIs elsewhere; from a rational standing point i see no other good reason to do this (the argument of otherwise-just-a-failed-investment doesn't really hold here, because, this is Microsoft, guys, they wouldn't deeply care for a few hundred million lost if they found it's something not worth keeping).


Not necessarily. If you look at the ribbon, it seems like a natural extension of the tool bar fused with the tab based interface - one could easily, if they got a decent lawyer (who actually had his shit together) to argue prior art. Then again, IMHO - patents on software shouldn't be given out to the same level they're done today.

Anyway, I think that the ribbon, although a HUGE improvement over the menu based paradigm, I still prefer the 'grand unified menu' at the top and the way which iWorks/Office 2008 is done. But I guess I would be in the minority (given that all alternative operating systems seem to be hell bent on copying Windows, right down to some of the stupid UI ideas too).

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RE[2]: Lock-In
by mickrussom on Fri 19th Sep 2008 19:05 in reply to "RE: Lock-In"
mickrussom Member since:
2006-05-13

If XP/2003 and windows before the Ribbon era are so stupid and copied stupidly, why is there so much shrink wrap and custom software developed there ? I guess everyone in the world making this a popular place to use software are all idiots then.

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