Microsoft and Novell have made good on their 2006 interoperability pact. Microsoft and Novell jointly announced that Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise has been optimized to run as an "enlightened" guest on Microsoft's Hyper-V hypervisor platform. Windows Server 2008 customers have been able to run as a virtualized guest on SUSE since last June, when SUSE became the first member of Microsoft's Server Virtualization Validation Program, which Novell has helped to fine-tune. Now SUSE is optimized to run on Microsoft's Hyper-V as well.
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Member since:2005-07-06
Real interoperability has nothing to do with shady patent deals. Standards should be available in a open royalty free manner.
Red Hat recently did something that promotes that
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/04/red_hat_buys_qumranet/print...
In among all these press releases is the loss of real worth. Where is the source code and patches?
Microsoft makes working with sharepoint a big pain for anybody else other than Windows however it can be done. A few alternatives are
http://marketing20.blogspot.com/2006/11/o3spaces-open-source-sharep...
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/alfresco_...
The notion that only way to interoperate is to suck up to patent deals and screw upstream projects is despicable.
Edited 2008-09-20 13:04 UTC
Member since:2007-02-17
Replace Sharepoint on the server with Alfresco.
In fact, replace the whole server with a Linux server, and then put Alfresco and OpenXchange on that.
There is your no-lockout end-to-end collaboration and e-mail system.
Much cheaper too!
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-20/red-hat-alfresco-sharepoin...
http://weblog.infoworld.com/stratdev/archives/2008/07/open_source_e...
http://www.open-xchange.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
I'm sure there are a number of other open source solutions ... but the essential smart move is to get rid of sharepoint itself.
Member since:2005-12-02
"Replace Sharepoint on the server with Alfresco."
Thanks for this. Never heard of Alfresco. Which brings us to about the biggest issue of Linux and OSS. The big tech magazines that the CIO's and such read do not mention such things. Hell, I never heard of it and I am always looking for new things. Advertising is what it takes to get the word out, and RH needs to do more of that for everything they may support. Until it gets out there more, and there are print ads and the like, it will remain in the background and not heard of. RedHat loves to advertise the training and certs, which they make money off of, and RHEL, which they make money off of, but they never advertise things that are free and do not pay. Like Alfresco...which looks to be an awesome product.
Member since:2005-07-06
In fact, replace the whole server with a Linux server, and then put Alfresco and OpenXchange on that.
There is your no-lockout end-to-end collaboration and e-mail system.
Much cheaper too!
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-20/red-hat-alfresco-sharepoin...
http://weblog.infoworld.com/stratdev/archives/2008/07/open_source_e...
http://www.open-xchange.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
I'm sure there are a number of other open source solutions ... but the essential smart move is to get rid of sharepoint itself.
But the problem is - you never addressed the issue which I said; there needs to be integrated between OpenOffice.org and the said sharepoint alternative - in your example Alfresco. Unless there is the same level of integration between Alfresco and OpenOffice.org as there is with Sharepoint and Office on the client, people aren't going to use it.
I appreciate the link to Alfresco, but it doesn't address the requirements of what I said in the previous post - for a drop in replacement replacement for Sharepoint/Office system that is feature for feature equal or superior to what Microsoft offers.
Member since:2005-07-24
You are saying that in order to be part of the solution one must become part of the problem. That makes no sense. Thanks Lord Vader, but no thanks.
Member since:2005-07-06
Welcome to the real world. You'll find it quite different from the world you dreamed of in your youth or learned about in college.
Sometimes sitting down with your enemy is the right choice for moving things forward. Sometimes you have to get dirty and play the game rather than shout from the sidelines. Sometimes you have to take one step back before you can take two steps forwards.
It's not easy, it's not fun and it's not got for your soul or karma and you certainly cannot keep you smug moral superiority, but often it's the pragmatically correct thing to do. There are times when you simply have to chose between taking the moral high ground and getting things done.
Member since:2007-11-24
Member since:2005-12-09
Member since:2007-04-23
The biggest reason, and the primary reason people get so worked up about it, is because microsoft traditionally haven't published the specs of their formats or the interfaces used by such programs to integrate...
Which means that those trying to create competing software have to expend significant effort reverse engineering microsoft code first... And it's also often necessary to recreate the whole stack rather than creating individual components that can interoperate with the microsoft components.
OpenOffice developers are spending far too much time trying to reverse engineer microsoft's binary formats, and trying to implement their poorly documented OOXML format, and reverse engineering the undocumented ooxml-based format msoffice 2007 uses, to work on new features...
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2005-07-06
The real concern is around the patent deal which creates a unhealthy imbalance as expressed by Eben Moglen from Software Freedom Law Center in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YExl9ojclo
The only thing you hurt when one refuses to 'play ball' with the establishment is yourself. There are patents on technology; some of them legitimate, others just owned by patent trolling companies. Until Linux vendors work as official software companies and work with other vendors to sort this issue out - it helps no one doing what Red Hat is doing, namely, sitting on the side lines spitting and cursing at Microsoft/Novell.
Microsoft technology is here to stay whether Red Hat and the open source devotee's on this website like it or not.If you want to compete with Microsoft - create a better and superior widget. When Microsoft create a product, stop spitting and cursing at the customers who purchase it or Microsoft - get a copy of the product yourself and analyse it. Find out why customers want it, and create a better version of it.
Take Microsoft Office/Sharepoint integration, why don't we see an OpenOffice.org version of that? why don't we see an end to end solution in the opensource world to the Office System? too much time spitting at Microsoft than doing something productive? too much complaining about patents than listening and addressing what customers needs are?
Edited 2008-09-20 11:03 UTC